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Opinions on Aspect Ratio

This is a general question to get other folks opinions on the 2 available TP aspect ratios. I personal don't like the 16 x 9 and prefer the 4 x 3. Maybe if we were to watch movies on it 16 x 9 would be nice but that's not it's purpose. To me the main andvantage TPs have over other devices is their ability rapidly display and update lists (movie, music etc) and the 16 x 9 does a poor job at that. Sure we could make shorter lists and change and modify code to display something other than multiples of ten, but that's a nice number. Plus most TP designs made to fit 4 x 3 just don't work on 16 x 9, you just can't shorten and stretch some designs enough to make them work, so on a mixed system you have to do double the graphics. On the larger 16 x 9 displays, sure they're big enough to make lists or matrixs work but the smaller 5, 7 & 10 are a pain in the a$$.

I personally would like to see everything 4 x 3 and I think the engineers and designers at AMX just got caught up in the 16 x 9 TV HD craze. I see no real advantage to widescreen TPs, only disadvantages.

What's every one elses thoughts? Am I just missing something?

Comments

  • I have mixed feelings on the wide screen TPs. The only one that I really have found any uses for are the 17". They give you room for preview windows and lots of buttons that are big enough to touch with fingers. My absolute favorite panel is the 1200VG. Again, you get buttons that are big enough to use without a stylus. I've not used the 5" or 10" moderos, but I absolutely can't stand the 7" or the MVP-7500. The screen in the 7" is just big enough for 6 useful buttons - it should come with a tethered stylus. I don't know why they offer video options on it since it is too small to see. The picture quality on the MVP-7500 is crap. Unfortunately, those are the two panels that seem to be sold the most.

    In my opinion the 1200VG is overall the most useful panel. For installations with big switches and video walls, the 1700VG has its uses in terms of additional space. And for hand-held units the MVP-8400 is the way to go in spite of its more obvious faults.
  • annuelloannuello Posts: 294
    16:9 okay for me

    We use both 4:3 (CV6) & 16:9 (CV7) touch panels in our lecture theatres. I initially had the same reaction when the CV6 was discontinued. However, I have since adjusted to the new ratio quite happily. Knowing that I would really have no choice, I opted to see the CV7 as a wider version (rather than a shorter version) of the CV6. Given that the resolution is also greater in each direction, I haven't had to crop any designs.

    Admittedly, our TP designs are not menu-driven, so I can't comment on that one.

    Roger McLean
  • DHawthorneDHawthorne Posts: 4,584
    My company tends more towards feature-richness than stark simplicity, and I find the extra real estate on a wide screen panel valuable. I hate forcing a customer to drill down to find common functions, and the edge space is my primary place for putting top-level navigation and common functions. The extra screen size then allows my device popups to hold more buttons before getting cluttered.

    I have yet to use a wide screen panel for displaying 16x9 media. I never felt that touch panels were the best viewing device; they are controllers. At most, I use them for a customer to "preview" program material or for cameras.
  • We use the CV7 90% of the time. The extra working area width allows for less pages flips for me, even the CV5 is fine,a little small for some jobs. 16:9 or 4:3 it's all the same to me. :)
  • Joe HebertJoe Hebert Posts: 2,159
    With all due respect, what flavor of Kool-Aid are you guys drinking? :) Extra real estate on a wide screen? How do you figure 20% less pixels as extra? (800x600 vs. 800x480) There is no extra width to make up for the 20% loss in height. Or am I not comparing apples to apples?

    I prefer the 4:3 for a user interface but I?m sure the wide screen glass is cheaper since that?s the trend these days. I just hope computer monitors don?t follow along; I can?t get enough lines of code on the screen as it is.
  • DHawthorneDHawthorne Posts: 4,584
    Joe Hebert wrote:
    With all due respect, what flavor of Kool-Aid are you guys drinking? :) Extra real estate on a wide screen? How do you figure 20% less pixels as extra? (800x600 vs. 800x480) There is no extra width to make up for the 20% loss in height. Or am I not comparing apples to apples?

    I prefer the 4:3 for a user interface but I?m sure the wide screen glass is cheaper since that?s the trend these days. I just hope computer monitors don?t follow along; I can?t get enough lines of code on the screen as it is.

    Orange!

    Heh, you are right, it's not that much of a difference really, but perception-wise it seems to make one, at least to me. For strictly aesthetic reasons, I just feel like I have more room to spread things out nicely and put more buttons in without cramming them. For example, if you have a strip along the bottom of the panel to select system modes, or choose a source device, you can get one or two more buttons across a wide screen without shrinking them or cramming them, or resorting to a second row. It just might be the Cool-Aid talking though :).
  • Joe Hebert wrote:
    With all due respect, what flavor of Kool-Aid are you guys drinking? :) Extra real estate on a wide screen? How do you figure 20% less pixels as extra? (800x600 vs. 800x480) There is no extra width to make up for the 20% loss in height. Or am I not comparing apples to apples?

    I prefer the 4:3 for a user interface but I?m sure the wide screen glass is cheaper since that?s the trend these days. I just hope computer monitors don?t follow along; I can?t get enough lines of code on the screen as it is.

    Sry, I was using the G3 AXD-MCP panel before the CV7 so to me there is more room. Didn't mean to freak you out too much.
  • Spire_JeffSpire_Jeff Posts: 1,917
    Joe Hebert wrote:
    With all due respect, what flavor of Kool-Aid are you guys drinking? :) Extra real estate on a wide screen? How do you figure 20% less pixels as extra? (800x600 vs. 800x480) There is no extra width to make up for the 20% loss in height. Or am I not comparing apples to apples?

    I prefer the 4:3 for a user interface but I?m sure the wide screen glass is cheaper since that?s the trend these days. I just hope computer monitors don?t follow along; I can?t get enough lines of code on the screen as it is.


    I tend to think of it as 640x480 vs. 800x480. Guess it's a glass with 50% of it's capacity filled with water type question. Is the glass half empty or half full? (My smart *** answer is usually: "The glass is full, half with water and half with air." :P)

    I tend to use the extra space on the 16x9 format for additional quick access buttons if we have both formats in a job. I bill it as a feature, not a flaw. If you tell the customer that the extra width is great for quick access features, they'll be happy. If you tell them that they loose space, they won't be happy.

    Jeff
  • Joe HebertJoe Hebert Posts: 2,159
    DHawthorne wrote:
    For example, if you have a strip along the bottom of the panel to select system modes, or choose a source device, you can get one or two more buttons across a wide screen without shrinking them or cramming them, or resorting to a second row. It just might be the Cool-Aid talking though :).
    If we are comparing G4 panels, something like an MVP-8400 (800x600) to a CV7 or CV10 (800x480) then the only way to get more buttons across the bottom is to make the buttons smaller in width. If the CV7/CV10 looks wider, it?s just an optical illusion.

    It kind of reminds me of a semi-famous hot dog chain here in the Midwest called Portillos. I read once that the owner D.ick Portillo said the secret to his success was to use smaller hot dog buns than his competitors so that the hot dog stuck out of both ends. This way people thought they were getting a bigger hot dog when in fact all they were getting was a smaller bun. I don?t know if that?s just legend or true but that?s the way I feel about the wide screen. We?re just getting a smaller bun.
    Sry, I was using the G3 AXD-MCP panel before the CV7 so to me there is more room. Didn't mean to freak you out too much.
    If you guys are comparing G3 panels to G4 then that?s a different story and I?ll shut up, take a swig of the orange myself and try not to freak out. :) I thought we were comparing G4 panels. I wasn?t trying to offend anyone; I used a smiley and everything. :)
  • jjamesjjames Posts: 2,908
    Joe Hebert wrote:
    With all due respect, what flavor of Kool-Aid are you guys drinking?
    and ...
    Joe Hebert wrote:
    If you guys are comparing G3 panels to G4 then that?s a different story and I?ll shut up, take a swig of the orange myself and try not to freak out. :) I thought we were comparing G4 panels. I wasn?t trying to offend anyone; I used a smiley and everything. :)
    Ahhh . . . I love these forums. This is one of the main reasons I love reading posts - you never know what someone will write next - whether its' funny or serious, it's always great!

    Joe - you always have a way to put a little grin / smirk / smile on my face with either you wittiness or your technical insight. Thanks!

    While I'm writing though - I'll put in my two cents - I prefer the 4x3 screens. I haven't had a chance to work with a 17" (yet) and have only worked with the CV5,7, and 10 - don't care for any of them - especially the 5" >:|
  • Joe Hebert wrote:
    If you guys are comparing G3 panels to G4 then that’s a different story and I’ll shut up, take a swig of the orange myself and try not to freak out. :) I thought we were comparing G4 panels. I wasn’t trying to offend anyone; I used a smiley and everything. :)

    LOL, OMGosh Joe, offendded never even crossed my mind( I am Canuck, its almost impossible to offend us ;) ) As mentioned I was using the G3 panels before, AXD-MCP, which is only 5.5"(?) so the upgrade to the G4 CV7 which has almost the same size foot print as the G3 was a huge increase of area for me. My biggest problem is I type slower than I think and often omit key pieces of information.

    Okay as for the 16:9 4:3 debate. Here is a big design nightmare that we are now facing at work. To maintain the same image height for clients we now have a much longer screen. Maybe not a huge issue for a home but in a classroom where the profs. want the capability to use the blackboard, whiteboard, overhead and proj. all at the same time it's becomes a big problem with space.
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