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New MVP5200i

trobertstroberts Posts: 228
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Does anyone know if this panel has started shipping yet? If so, any input positive or negative would be appreciated.

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  • TrikinCurtTrikinCurt Posts: 158
    I believe it is supposed to ship in January.

    Curt
  • viningvining Posts: 4,368
    I put in a request for engineered drawings that I could give the architects on a job and they didn't even have them yet and still don't so having the actual product by January 09 is possible but I doubt 08.

    I'm hoping I'm wrong cuz I opened my big mouth and sold them on a job already and now I'm thinking I'll have to explain in 3 month why they can't be installed.
  • Marc ScheibeinMarc Scheibein Posts: 881
    Got this for the MVP-5200 dockingstation conduit box from Engineering about 3 weeks ago
    ATTENTION: This is PREMILARY!!! There are no more changes expected, but it may happen until final release.
  • DHawthorneDHawthorne Posts: 4,584
    Is there anything out there detailing what kind of new capacities this panel has, and what kind of programming difference we can expect? Like, how does the scroll wheel work - within the existing devchan structure, or as a level, or something new? My boss already has some contracted, and I would like to hit the ground running ... not get caught flat-footed.
  • dthorsondthorson Posts: 103
    It says it supports the list box. So is that like the Mio-R4?
  • TonyAngeloTonyAngelo Posts: 315
    The new TPD4 contains support for the 5200.
  • jazzwyldjazzwyld Posts: 199
    From The Grapevine

    I heard that it is supposed to ship late January.
  • trobertstroberts Posts: 228
    Its now early in February has anyone received one yet? If so, what do you think?
  • Spire_JeffSpire_Jeff Posts: 1,917
    As far as I know, they are not shipping until mid Feb at the earliest.

    Jeff
  • ScottpulmanScottpulman Posts: 48
    Mvp-5200

    My Rep is telling me that the new release date is the 11th of Feb
    by the sounds of the rumors that I am hearing this one seems like the one..
    Can't wait to get one, my sales sold it on a job that is installing at the moment...
    tight, really tight!!
  • ericmedleyericmedley Posts: 4,177
    Scottpulman wrote:
    my sales sold it on a job that is installing at the moment...
    tight, really tight!!

    ~Shudder!~
  • 2Fast2Fast Posts: 90
    Don't scare him ericmedley haha ...

    I'm programming a system with 5200 too :)

    The scroll whell works - cursor: up, down, left, right, select and rotate left - right .... very nice :)
  • AuserAuser Posts: 506
    Scottpulman wrote: »
    My Rep is telling me that the new release date is the 11th of Feb[...]

    Two weeks and counting (hee hee). Anyone got one in their hot little hands yet? If so, what's the verdict?
  • viningvining Posts: 4,368
    The last notification I got was they were shipping in April now and new orders can be expexted in May.

    I'm hoping they ship sooner since I need 4 yesterday.
  • jjamesjjames Posts: 2,908
    And so the drama begins! :-p

    Question to everyone though that has quoted it in current or coming jobs: given that any product from any company can be delayed for whatever reason - why spec it? I'm really confused as to why someone would try to sell something that doesn't exist. Wouldn't you want to wait until you have it in your hands before you quote it in a job? Or am I missing something.

    The funniest thing is - when a product does get delayed, people seem to get upset with AMX for delaying it - and not themselves for quoting something that doesn't officially exist yet.

    The way I see it, one would have two options: quote the thing, and finish the job later to a possibly upset customer who's been left without control. Or two - quote something else, but giving them the knowledge of the other piece - and when that other piece comes out - show it to them, and try to sell it to them over their perfectly running original piece you specc'ed. Yes? No?
  • DHawthorneDHawthorne Posts: 4,584
    jjames wrote: »
    And so the drama begins! :-p

    Question to everyone though that has quoted it in current or coming jobs: given that any product from any company can be delayed for whatever reason - why spec it? I'm really confused as to why someone would try to sell something that doesn't exist. Wouldn't you want to wait until you have it in your hands before you quote it in a job? Or am I missing something.

    The funniest thing is - when a product does get delayed, people seem to get upset with AMX for delaying it - and not themselves for quoting something that doesn't officially exist yet.

    The way I see it, one would have two options: quote the thing, and finish the job later to a possibly upset customer who's been left without control. Or two - quote something else, but giving them the knowledge of the other piece - and when that other piece comes out - show it to them, and try to sell it to them over their perfectly running original piece you specc'ed. Yes? No?

    I have customers who regularly visit the AMX web site to see what is coming up, and one that even attended Cedia. They see the new products, and say, "Want!" So, the obliging sales team contracts it. I had a customer sold R4's six months before they actually appeared. I have at least 2 jobs with 5200's contracted. I don't see any way to avoid a certain amount of that, I just make sure they understand release dates are not set in stone (more like, they are set in Jello ... ).
  • TonyAngeloTonyAngelo Posts: 315
    vining wrote: »
    The last notification I got was they were shipping in April now and new orders can be expexted in May.

    I'm hoping they ship sooner since I need 4 yesterday.

    This is what I was told. April at the soonest.
  • TonyAngeloTonyAngelo Posts: 315
    jjames wrote: »
    Question to everyone though that has quoted it in current or coming jobs: given that any product from any company can be delayed for whatever reason - why spec it? I'm really confused as to why someone would try to sell something that doesn't exist. Wouldn't you want to wait until you have it in your hands before you quote it in a job? Or am I missing something.

    I absolutely agree, but the way it happens is salesmen spec it in jobs because it's the cool new sh*t and that's what they want to sell. I'm not defending it, but that's how it happens. The salesmen don't care because they don't have to deal with it, the PM does.
  • DavidRDavidR Posts: 62
    I have 8 sold and my rep said even they were blindsided on this. I not sure what my options are at this point...

    the only explanation that will work for me is either a container ship sunk or all the panels they received from manufacturing were defective.
  • jjamesjjames Posts: 2,908
    DHawthorne wrote: »
    I have customers who regularly visit the AMX web site to see what is coming up, and one that even attended Cedia. They see the new products, and say, "Want!" So, the obliging sales team contracts it. I had a customer sold R4's six months before they actually appeared. I have at least 2 jobs with 5200's contracted. I don't see any way to avoid a certain amount of that, I just make sure they understand release dates are not set in stone (more like, they are set in Jello ... ).

    That's when I think the sales guys need to start having their commission docked. Quoting things that are not shipping - that's unacceptable. Who cares if the client saw it - if it's not shipping, they can't have it. Plain and simple.
  • yuriyuri Posts: 861
    DHawthorne wrote: »
    I have customers who regularly visit the AMX web site to see what is coming up, and one that even attended Cedia. They see the new products, and say, "Want!" So, the obliging sales team contracts it. I had a customer sold R4's six months before they actually appeared. I have at least 2 jobs with 5200's contracted. I don't see any way to avoid a certain amount of that, I just make sure they understand release dates are not set in stone (more like, they are set in Jello ... ).

    then your customer also must be aware of the problems there are with shipping...
    right?
  • viningvining Posts: 4,368
    jjames wrote:
    Quoting things that are not shipping - that's unacceptable. Who cares if the client saw it - if it's not shipping, they can't have it. Plain and simple.
    Do you actually handle sales, system design or have any customer relations other than programming? If so you would understand it's not that simple and yes there are risks involved with pre-ordering and being on one of the first to discover all the bugs that initial release devices usually have. We could wait until they ship and every one else has a chance to order and install them and then once the bugs are worked out then we could order them for our own jobs but if every one thought that way no one would want to be the first. It's a chance we take to work with something new and hopefully better.

    If AMX says they are going to ship in January we should have the confidence in them that they trully beleive and expect that to be the ship date but we also have to understand that we are all human and $hit does happened so if the job has to be finish in January/February you don't spec the product but March/April/May then expecting delivery should be a reasonable expectation. As long as AMX keeps us abreast of further delays there's always the option of telling the customer to either wait another month or two or change to the MVP8400.

    The problem is, when you fail to advise the client that their release date and avalabilty is tentative and if that's going to be a problem have them choose products that are readily available.
  • DHawthorneDHawthorne Posts: 4,584
    jjames wrote: »
    That's when I think the sales guys need to start having their commission docked. Quoting things that are not shipping - that's unacceptable. Who cares if the client saw it - if it's not shipping, they can't have it. Plain and simple.

    The sales guy is also the owner of the company. Not going to happen :). He saw a new product, and trusted the original release date, and talked a customer or two into it based on that. Should he have known better? Probably. Doesn't help the situation that exists though.
    yuri wrote:
    then your customer also must be aware of the problems there are with shipping...
    right?
    Purchasing didn't even know it wasn't shipping - if I didn't see it here, I wouldn't have known. AMX is not all that up-front when there are problems.
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