Stephen Bolton wrote:
A physical device is always the ultimate solution, of course, but, doesn't deal with 680 mile gap from HQ to display systems like we have sometimes! (short of some hardware etc etc...no longer a cheap solution)
If only 802.11 could go further than 10 feet!
The main issues we see with G3 web control are related to the java platform the PC is running - most sites are way past 1.4.x these days.
Recently one client had exactly this issue, so they dedicated a machine with the low rev of Java and then users access the NI via this machine through VNC. No other machine needed the lower rev of Java.
Worked ok - little bit slow though.
sure, the distance is a factor, but only for administrative purposes. Give the customer a real TP and a web interface to control his home from his vacation location
with a new G4 panel VNC is possible, but maybe your customer has G3 panels or keypads
That's why I said "real" touch panel
As with many others, I am anxiously awaiting the day when AMX develops
some type (but definitely not browser based) of PC application that emulates G4 functionality without a physical touch panel needed.
Chip Moody wrote:
The option/flexibility of being able to use a browser (through a means that works well and is well-supported) or a G4-engine based application (applet?) that doesn't require a physical touch panel to exist - even for a charge - would be more than welcome...
if they also add (good) pocketpc support, count me in too, but for a WebApplet alone, i'm not paying...
I don't think we are going to see a hardware-free G4 equivalent any time soon. Have you looked carefully at the hardware in a G4 panel? It's a fairly powerful GPU in and of itself. Then there is the matter of file size - storing that data on a controller would take a huge amount of space. NetLinx masters, in their current form, simply aren't up to it. The only approach that will even come close to being viable is a full-blown PC application like Panel Preview that will actually talk to the master as well. And I am quite sure AMX doesn't go that route because of all the support issues without any of the profit from selling an actual device. It would absolutely cut into their sales, and then they would have to deal with all the software-related compatibility and user-error issues that are inevitable with such a product. It wouldn't make any fiscal sense to release such an application.
Steve Bolton wrote:
Perhaps AMX development can produce a web based version of panel preview as at least a starting place...
The only approach that will even come close to being viable is a full-blown PC application like Panel Preview that will actually talk to the master as well. And I am quite sure AMX doesn't go that route because of all the support issues without any of the profit from selling an actual device.
Chip Moody wrote:
Guess I'll continue seeing Cre$tron systems being sold in instances where this type of interface is needed.
There's a decision AMX had to make here, whether they thought it through or not. Lose the profit generated by the sale of a touch panel, (and miss out on all the support issues you mentioned) or potentially lose the sale of the WHOLE SYSTEM to the competitor that has more flexible options.
I don't think Cre$tron has suffered any when they move system hardware out the door that happens to not include a physical touch panel.
that's because Cre$tron is asking money for it's the use of PDA based webcontrol. Control using a browser is free tho