EAW setup
Shawn Matthews
Posts: 8
Ok, i give up. Ive been reading the \"Read First\" section and got more confused.
Heres my setup
2 EAW LA325
2 FR153Z
2 SM12
and of course the cool DriveRack PA
I have all the information needed. I know the LA325 isnt really the DRPA choice when it comes to Bi-amping, but i would like to set it up as close and best as the DRPA can do.
I would like to run the LAs and SMs bi-amped. Again I have all the information but am TOTALLY confused as to how to input them.
Ill try to give an example.
Here is the Processor Settings PDF (which im sure you guys already know)
ftp://ftp.eaw.com/../EAW/Processor_Sett ... S_rev2.pdf
I've been playing with the DRPA for almost 2 weeks trying to figure out how to input these settings. But for the love of music, i just dont know how to.
Thanks for you help.
Shawn.
Heres my setup
2 EAW LA325
2 FR153Z
2 SM12
and of course the cool DriveRack PA
I have all the information needed. I know the LA325 isnt really the DRPA choice when it comes to Bi-amping, but i would like to set it up as close and best as the DRPA can do.
I would like to run the LAs and SMs bi-amped. Again I have all the information but am TOTALLY confused as to how to input them.
Ill try to give an example.
Here is the Processor Settings PDF (which im sure you guys already know)
ftp://ftp.eaw.com/../EAW/Processor_Sett ... S_rev2.pdf
I've been playing with the DRPA for almost 2 weeks trying to figure out how to input these settings. But for the love of music, i just dont know how to.
Thanks for you help.
Shawn.
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Gadget
Im a mobile dj that wants to have a proper sounding setup, and dont want to run the risk of blowing anything since these speakers are pretty expensive.
I actually stayed up till 7 in the morning when I posted that and read thru almost all of the FAQs, again... I think i got it but ill hear your expert advise.
I was thinking of using the SM12 for a rear throw for when i do large events. What do you think?
Ill just type them off the PDF of what i linked
LA325:
LF MF/HF
Gain(dB) -1.0 3.00
Delay (ms) 0.00 0.09
Polarity Positive Positive
HPF
Freq (Hz) 30 177
Slope (dB) 24 24
Shape Butterworth (both)
LPF
Freq (Hz) 433 16000
Slope (dB) 24 24
Shape Butterworth (both)
PEQ1
Freq (Hz) 40.5 1155
Level (dB) 6.0 -3.8
Type Parametric (both)
Q 2.00 5.66
(Bandwidth) .50 .18
PEQ2
Freq (Hz) 315 2181
Level (dB) 2.5 2.7
Type Parametric (both)
Q 4.00 8.00
(Bandwidth) .25 .13
PEQ3
Freq (Hz) 545 9792
Level (dB) -20.0 3.6
Type Parametric (both)
Q 5.66 3.6
(Bandwidth) .40 .30
PEQ4 (MF/HF Only)
Freq (Hz) 3462
Level (dB) 2.0
Type Parametric (both)
Q 4.49
(Bandwidth) .22
that was alot of typing lol... ill get on the fr when i get back from work. also gadget, i can type up the settings i did on the DRPA maybe we might have the same results.
As for the rest of the functions, played around with them, and used google along with the read me/faq section, and got it going! Lots of reading, but worth every sleepless second.
Second off WHY three sets of tops? why not either 2 tops and 2 subs...or..4 tops and 2 subs.. or 4 tops and 2 subs with 2 delay speakers.. or some other config OTHER than 3 different tops?
You do realize that in order to run all those speakers in stereo you'd need 10 outputs? ( L/R-hi L/R-lo 325, L/R-hi L/R-lo SM12, L/R full range FR153z)
The thing is...you need delay you don't have with the DRPA...you also need \"peak STOP limiting\" not \"peak PLUS limiting\" The former has brick wall limiting... the later does NOT!
The things we determine with the amp power is:
xover points ... more power (=) lower xover point
Gadget
Is it possible to run different scenarios?
ex:
1. LA + FR
2. LA + SM
Cant really trade in the PA since I had this for a while but never used it. Way its been a year I believe.
Dumb question: on the 260, i can have 6 MONO outputs rite? Is there anything that I can use that would be good for this setup? (and possibly future add-ons?)
Amps:
2 Crown MacroTech 2402
1 Crown MacroTech 3600
1 Crown CE2000A
I only had the DRPA connected as full range, never bothered to set it up for Bi-Amp until now. (I recently got the SM12 for a good price so I've decided to setup the DRPA for a proper sound)
About the 10 outputs: Is their a processor that can be programmed for this setup? (also, i have been looking into the EAW LA118. So i think i would have to get a DSP that can handle my setup.)
Im a bit confused on your delay and peak comment. If you can, can you explain that a little?
Thanks ALOT Gadget!
Mono - 1/2 (LA bi-amp), 3/4 (FR bi-amp), 5 (SM passive), 6 (subs) all on the 260. Or...
You don't have enough amps to go bi-amp all the way. But if you buy amps with onboard DSP (XTi for example) you could do some things as well.
The DRPA does not have great limiter. It can only stop so much of a signal and from that point it all passes. The 260 will close the door where you set it and NOTHING gets by.
DRA
yea i was thinking about the mono aspec when Gadget replied.
BTW, the SM is a Bi-Amp speaker, not Single. Go Figure... :?
But yea, the 260 looks like its something i would need.
What if i was to get a used DRPA for cheap, can i link it to the first one?
(within my settings, i would use the Mid freq and the \"link\" to the 2nd DRPA)
As for the peak statement... the 260 on up have BRICK WALL LIMITERS which means that they WILL STOP any sound above a level you set.. the DRPA and PX only have peak plus limiting which allows overshoot.. the harder you hit it the more gets through...so you really DO NOT have the protection you want...sorry...
The delay... well if you want to set up delay towers (coverage for bigger crowds... way to the back of rooms and such) you want to be able to delay the sound of mains to meet up with them...The DRPA has only got about 10 feet of delay...the 260 has 2.7 seconds or roughly 2700 feet of delay...(about 1/2 mile)...capiche?
Ok, so as for the settings...
LA 325:
Set up a custom preset...2X6 (this allows for a total of 6 fullrange outputs)
If you choose dual mono you get 6 separate.. in stereo you get 3 pairs of outs.. with 6 separate you will need to do everything twice ...as in the Auto EQ process..
Next set the HPF for the 325's @ 30 HZ BW24 (found in the xover section) it's the lowest point we want the speakers to go...Also when in this section set the gain @ -1.0 db This will be the L/R low outs from the DRPA...
Next set the LPF... the HIGHEST we want the woofers to go...433 hz (or as close as you can get with the DRPA) again BW filter, 24 slope again...These will be driven by the MAC3600 in stereo...
Next we need to set the HPF for the MF HF section... That will be 177 hz.. again @ BW24...(I REALLY don't like that much overlap...try it though and if you want try also 433 hz here and see which is better) They want you to delay the mids by .9 ms... the smallest amount available is .21.. so ether or not that will be of use you will need to determine. You also do not have an LPF on the hi outs of the DRPA so we will forget the 16,000hz bW24...I would use the CE2000 here..
As for the PEQ's...You have 2 for the subs... so:
center a bell @ 40.5 hz set the Q to 2.0 and set a gain of 6.0db
center a second bell @297 hz set the Q to 3.86 with a gain of 2.5-3.0db
For the mid hi's we have 3 PEQ's available and the LA's want 4... we'll use the most important ones...
Bell PEQ @1.16k with a Q of 5.7 and a -4.0db cut (these were interpolated to fit what the Driverack can do... the precision of the actual settings are beyond the DRPA capabilities))
Bell PEQ @ 2.18K Q 8.4 gain 3.0
Bell PEQ @ 9.5k Q3.4 gain 3.5
You could also put a 2.0 + on the 3.5K on the GEQ and a take care of the other issue ... all be it with a much wider filter than they used...
As for the other speakers that is for another time.. and they could be run full range off the MID outs... BUT you still don't have Peak stop limiting... OR enough delay to do the job properly... but hey.. for the price you will love the DRPA...
Gadget
If you had asked me before hand I would have suggested the Yorkville U500 speakers which array REALLY well and sound AMAZING! Add a sub and you would have a really AWESOME SETUP...
Gadget
DRA
Im going get rid of the DRPA and just pick up the 260.
Stereo/Mono question: Doesnt mono decrease sound quality?
Pink Floyd in headphones... definately.
For the discerning listener... probably.
On the dance floor... not likely.
Stereo is mostly a sound field thing for guitar pairs , keyboards, sometimes vocals and occasionally drums. FX, as well. All just to try to help you imagine being \"in the midst\" of the band.
Will anyone at your venues know or care? Doubt it.
DRA
The only thing I run in stereo is the effects anyway...you could run the hi's on the LA's in stereo
2 channels
run the lows in mono
1 channel
run the FR's mono
1 channel
and then biamp the Sm
2 channels and have stereo mains and run the rest mono...best of both worlds...
Merry Christmas...
Gadget
Well the LA paired with the FR is a crazy clean sounding set. I really wouldnt want to sacrifice that quality. (if its required, i place the FR ontop the LA)
Sidenote: have any of you 2 had any experiences with the LA118?
As for the 4800: man, shit. lol. I looked into it MANY times, but for now, out of budget since im thinking of getting a pair of LA118 subs.
Gadget I was thinking run all MF/HF + FR stereo and all LF mono
And Merry Christmas to All!
That's 7 outputs, plus you'd have no separate PEQ control for the bi-amp lo's. I don't think that will work well (best). But, you can try.
DRA
Gadget