Fane speakers delay

georgesguitars

A&H 16:2wz3
DRPA+ all eqs off, AFS set it weeks ago and forgot it, no worries
Pair QSC HPR153i
Pair Peavey PV 118s run by Pair QSC GX5s
DRPX all eqs off, AFS set
Pair QSC K12s as STEREO monitors each

Gadget and All, greetings once again,
I know I posted a minute ago here but the thing just disappeared. This one will be much shorter. I was recanting my woes of MCM Electronics only sending one of a four Fane International Colossus 15XB speaker order. It took a week of e-mails, phone calls and ultimately intervention by Fane for MCM to even let me make an order. They informed me of the 60 day lead time not 30. They informed me of the non-returnable, non-refundable nature of special orders. They sent one speaker. I need low end in my life NOW.
My buddy and I each have a pair of the PV118s. What if I install speakons, disable the internal hpf and put some better speakers in them? Would I need all four, could I get by with two? Suggestions ...? What about:
18 Sound 18LW1400 subwoofer
18LW1400
Size: 18"
Power Rating: 1000W AES
Frequency Response: 28-2.5kHz
Sensitivity: 98db
Impedance: 8 ohms
Voice Coil: 4"
Resonant Frequency: 31 Hz
Weight: 29.36 lbs
On sale $300.00
...then a 2000 watt per side power amp to run them? Would that be enough to keep up with the tops I have? Or should I begin building my P.A. of all time, selling off what I have now as I do?
Otherwise, life is good here. Unless a band is really loud I've got 'em. I'm loving being able to pamper a picky vocalist by plugging their mic in the A side of the K12, giving them a personal monitor (no eqs or AFS needed), running that output to their channel on the A&H, then sending the monitor MIX (with or without their voice in it) to the B side of the K12 'cause it's STEREO. Between using just the AFS, no eqs and using compression and gating tricks I am now loud enough and crisp enough for my needs. I just want that soft, pillow of low end for all this stuff to bounce around on. Talk to y'all later
George

Gadget

Unfortunately the PV 118 cab is likely the wrong size for those drivers...as I said in my post there are a few other woofers that are tested in those Fane cabs that work well. The P audio C18 650 EL
http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/html/pa ... ofers.html
and the Peavey Lowrider 18:
http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/html/pe ... _subs.html
and Eminenece Omega pro or definamx (haven't actually put one in the box but it modeled well
http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/html/eminence_18.html

But I haven't seen modeling on the 18 sound woofer...

I actually built the 15" versions because they are smaller, lighter and have the same output and LF extension using the Paudio drivers (C15 600 EL http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/html/paudio_15_sub.html) is the bigger and more expensive 18's...

That's all I can tell you... try the one Fane you seem stuck with in the PV118 cab, but don't expect miracles...that's not the right box I don't think...

georgesguitars

I haven't built the 125 litre cabs yet to put the Fane Colossus 15XB speakers in, of which I only have one anyway. If I have to wait a whole year for MCM to fill my order for the other three, I was considering putting some power 18s to go in the Peavey PV118 cabs I do have and selling the Fanes on eBay out of spite. I don't care that it's a better product. Customer service has to count for something. This is to let anyone reading know: MCM Electronics does not LIKE when folks make special orders. If you want speedy service you'd better consider something else.

Dra

In our current economy, businesses ought to jump over backwards to sell (and deliver) product. Really sad.

DRA

Gadget

Ya .. that sux...Especially when I talked to several product specialists and a manager and he said they were most interested in the Colossus and were looking to stock them.. then they brought in the Crescendo series instead :roll: I won't recommend them and I'll pull the reference from the post in the FAQ's.

But the Paudio do work extremely well in the cab and have field replaceable baskets...and are cheaper.

Here's the problem with the PV118 cabs...
• Dado jointed 3/4 inch MDF construction
Those 18 sound woofers would blow that cabinet apart...the speaker they use:
• Transducer Complement: 18� Heavy duty woofer with 3� voice coil and 65 oz. magnet
The drivers I'm talking about are seriously more powerful than the 3" voice coil that can take PEAKS of 800 watts.. the Peavey Lo rider for instance can handle PEAKS of 3200 watts.. what do you think would happen to that press board cabinet with that beast in there.. the 18 sound is actually a beefier driver than the the lo rider...and can take 4000 watt peaks, and would blow that cab apart in NO time...
G

georgesguitars

Thanks for the info. Blowing cabinets apart sounds cool but ... Rats... I've got to think of something else.

djd8

Hi Gadget and all,
I'm very interested in building 2 Fane 125 litre cabs with the XB15 drivers (if they are available). US Speaker lists them on their site. If not, then the P-Audio suggested here on the forum.
We would be powering them from a RMX 2450 either one sub per channel or bridged. This is for a small rig used in restaurants and on patios with 2 JBL SRX712s passive for tops run on another 2450. We're mostly micing just vocals, kick and harmonica. We may mic more depending on the venue. Rock, blues and cover tunes.
We ran this rig a week ago with just one rented JBL powered sub and it was good but we want to kick it up a notch.
Currently we don't have DSP on this little rig. I use both a DR480 and 482 on our larger rig and since they are so trouble free I'm seldom here to post : ) Mixer is either a 12 channel Yamaha analog or an 01V96 depending. As funds become available I see a 260 in our future.
I'm not an experienced speaker builder so forgive dum questions. Would it be a good idea to install a low pass in each sub? If so, could you suggest specs I should look for. Anything else I should consider?
I've downloaded the plans from the Fane site, building the cab is the easy part for me, its doing the right thing with rest that I don't know.
Thanks much,
Don

Gadget

Greetings...
I posted the Fanes, and have built quite a few.. never had anyone do anything but rave about the speakers. They really do be lye their size. 2 with the 2450's should be pretty good. Bridged mono is the way to go, and keep them together if you can, you will get 3dB of free sound, and another 3dB for each floor/wall coupling (like a floor and back wall).

You should contact Loudspeakers Plus:
http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/fane_speakers.html
as I see they have the Fanes listed again...and see what they say. I'm sure there will be some lead time on these speakers...
As for the :

Would it be a good idea to install a low pass in each sub?

It's always a good idea to put a hipass AND a lowpass filter on the speakers... interaction in the xover region will cause all manor of sonic anomalies, and having no hipass could damage the sub driver by allowing it to over ecxcrude and tear itself apart, or hit the mechanical stops.

As I have said before there isn't any SONIC tangible benefit to going with the 18" the 15" but if you have a "visual crowd acuity" differential, the 18" is more impressive.
Gadget

djd8

Thanks Gadget,
I'm set on the 15", no need to impress the natives (its my back I'm worried about). I'm also pretty set on using the P.Audio but Al at US Speakers is suggesting the Eminence KappaPro 15LFA instead saying it will have less distortion. I checked the specs on both speakers and there are differences. They are somewhat less expensive but thats not the ultimate goal here. We want something that sounds good.
Do you know anything about the KappaPro in this application?
Thanks,
Don

Gadget

That's a "F'n" salesman for ya...what a turd! As I said I have some with the OMEGA pro's in them.. which is more like the P audio C-15 650...THAT I would go with NOT the Kappa.. If weight is an issue.. I suggest the P audio P 15N..,.
Anything you buy will cost more @ US speaker.
G

maddog

Now I'm in the process of building the fane 15's also till i get the lab project going. Glad I read this post before ordering drivers.

Is this what your talking about Gadget? The P Audio C15-600EL.... I couldn't find the 650.

Gadget

Yup.. that's it... they make great lo mid bass units for going 4 way also!

djd8

Hi Gadget,
I finally finished building two 125 litre cabs with the P Audio C15-600EL drivers. Wow, what a great sounding box. I hope to try them out this weekend at a real event and see how the do. So far I'll I've done is rattled the knick knacks off the shelves in the house.
Thanks for all your advice and guidance on these. I could see myself building two more. I can stack 3 of these in my trailer in the space I usually store 2 JBL SR4718's :-)
Don

Dra

Don,
Post some pics. Curious about your grill.

DRA

djd8

Will do, it will be later this week, I'm on a red eye to the other coast tonight. I'm using perforated aluminum sheet for the grills set onto a raised frame. It will have a slight bow out to help keep it rigid.

djd8

Hi DRA,
Here are some pics of the box and the grill. I just set the grill in place since I still need to paint it flat black. I used car door edge stripe on the grill edges. I bought the truck length at Pep Boys, worked great.
Don

Dennis

Nice work.

Dra

The stock finish looks pretty good, too.
What was your final cost?

DRA

Gadget

Nice work. Glad you didn't listen to the guy @ US speaker? Those Little P Audio drivers really kick ass don't they...

One question...It doesn't look like you put the ports all the way out to the face of the cab? That would increase the port lengths...did you compensate for the difference?

Probably not a huge thing but it could affect xmax of the driver...
g

djd8

Thanks, I think I've got about $325 per cab including drivers, lowpass, nl4's & plates, carpet, wood and other misc hardware.
Gadget, I recessed the ports about 1/2 way into the plywood. I didn't consider the effect of the length so I'll check that and shorten them if needed. Thanks for spotting that. I'll be giving them a good work out tomorrow at an event. When time permits I'll have a friend of mine check them with Smaart and I'll post the plots.

Dra

Lo pass?

That coil will eat power.

DRA

djd8

DRA,
I installed a 250hz lo pass in each box, think I should take it out? We are using a an outboard crossover. This my first speaker build, I have a lot to learn.

Gadget

I installed a 250hz lo pass in each box, think I should take it out?

If your using a crossover then yes... But if you have a driverack why mess with an external crossover.. there are so many benefits to using the driverack as a processor...
G

djd8

We are using a DBX crossover. We run both a DR 480 & 482 on our main rig but these boxes are for our small gig rig. Down the road we may add another DR possibly a 260.
We did an event today with our main rig and set up the two new subs and two SRX712's on poles in them in addition. When the band went on break we switched over to the small rig for house music mostly to test out the new subs. They sounded fantastic! I couldn't be more pleased.
I checked the port lengths and they measures 6.875" so I'll check the Fane specs and adjust accordingly.
I did bypass the lo pass in them.

Gadget

Well "A crossover" isn't the same as using a driverack as you know full well...the PEQ action and various crossover types/slopes is well worth the cost alone...
G