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PR10 / PR-Sub tunings?

RoadRangerRoadRanger Posts: 12
edited June 2010 in PA General Discussion
I know the latest firmware has these but my used one is only firmware 1.1 :(. Any chance anybody could have a peek into theirs and copy out the preset EQ for me? Thanks!

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  • DraDra Posts: 3,777
    Sorry nothing in the EQ. The 260 list the subs at 45hz(BW18)-140hz(LR24) and the tops at 140hz (LR140) - out (20khz).
    No x-over gains available since you didn't list you amps.

    DRA
  • RoadRangerRoadRanger Posts: 12
    Dra wrote:
    Sorry nothing in the EQ. The 260 list the subs at 45hz(BW18)-140hz(LR24) and the tops at 140hz (LR140) - out (20khz). No x-over gains available since you didn't list you amps.
    So the presets are just for the crossover points and don't have any PEQ for these cabs? I'm not really interested in the gains since those are easy enough to get right :). I know the crossovers in the PR10's are pretty primitive - guess I'll have to run a baseline outdoors with the auto-eq and try to translate that to PEQ settings to flatten them out :).
  • DraDra Posts: 3,777
    That is what we recommend.

    The only full range cabs I recall having PEQ settings in the Driveracks were the JBL M-Pro series.

    DRA
  • DennisDennis Posts: 801
    Dra wrote:
    (LR140)
    Oops!
  • GadgetGadget Posts: 4,915
    Not to mention :
    -140hz(LR24)
    :mrgreen:
    Me thinks he was in a hurry...probably trying to beat us to the punch...
    8)
  • RoadRangerRoadRanger Posts: 12
    Dra wrote:
    The only full range cabs I recall having PEQ settings in the Driveracks were the JBL M-Pro series.
    Thanks for the info - didn't realize the presets for full range cabs are that lame :shock: . I traded some older rack gear for the DRPA mostly so I could play with one and also because the DRPA is more saleable than what I traded away 8). I also have a Behringer DCX2496 and a couple DBX 223's - the more I mess about with DSP's the more I'm liking them 223's :mrgreen: .
  • GadgetGadget Posts: 4,915
    I also have a Behringer DCX2496 and a couple DBX 223's - the more I mess about with DSP's the more I'm liking them 223's :mrgreen: .
    :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
    Excuse me? a 223? over a Driverack? that's just silly...
    - didn't realize the presets for full range cabs are that lame

    Hey think about it... if the manufacturers DID provide PEQ's for their speakers (ya you'll find some for subs .. but that's different.. and you will find PEQ's for bi-amp, tri-amp and so on speakers because the "passive" crossovers are not in question...) it would be like admitting that the speakers had flaws.. and that the next guy doesn't provide any tunings.. his speakers MUST be better! :roll: Truth is.. there isn't a speaker out there that doesn't benefit from SOME tuning...might not be much... might only require one 3dB nudge here or there, but the fact is even the top of the line multi thousand dollar speakers require tuning, Peq's and delays and variable crossover slopes and types.. NONE of which the 223 has... except variable crossover points...
    No peq's
    No Geq's
    No delays
    No Auto Eq
    No Auto feedback suppressor...
    No variable HPF and LPF
    No limiters
    No compressors...
    No butterworth, Linkwitz Riley, or Bessel variable slope crossovers...
    need I continue?

    The Driverack has a HUGE tool set.. and here we have provided all the tools to use the Driverack tools.. did you see we have an FAQ section>?
    viewforum.php?f=60
    and a "Start here" thread...
    viewtopic.php?f=61&t=959
    That takes you step by step through your system setup!

    Find that on the Behringer site...Or the Auto Eq feature that when done properly offers you flat frequency response for better gain before feedback, and helps in those difficult rooms that are "LIVE" sounding..
    So go back to the dark ages .. or step up to the plate and enter the digital age and be all you can be...
    Gadget
  • RoadRangerRoadRanger Posts: 12
    Gadget wrote:
    Excuse me? a 223? over a Driverack? that's just silly...[...]
    No peq's
    No Geq's
    I am fond of the discontinued Rane MQ302S for FOH EQ :)
    No delays
    Not something I care about
    No Auto Eq
    meh...
    No Auto feedback suppressor...
    Never wanted one on the mains. I do use them on monitors - one rig has two AFS224's and my other has two Sabine 2020+'s 8) .
    No variable HPF and LPF
    No big deal missing the variable LPF on the high outs and on the subs the amps have 30 and 50hz selectable and the 223 has 40hz so quite a range there. Plus I have a MaxxBass 102 with a variable LPF anyways 8) .
    No limiters
    My amps are sized such that their clip limiters are good enough protection for all but the worst accident. Rooms I work generally don't have the power for stoopid big amps anyways ;) .
    No compressors...
    Yeck...
    No butterworth, Linkwitz Riley, or Bessel variable slope crossovers...
    The ones in the 223's seem to work well enough for me :) .
    need I continue?
    Sure :) .
    Or the Auto Eq feature that when done properly offers you flat frequency response for better gain before feedback, and helps in those difficult rooms that are "LIVE" sounding...
    I rarely work rooms that would allow that. They are often "boomy" rooms that need a slider notched out on the 31 band but that isn't all that difficult to find.
    So go back to the dark ages .. or step up to the plate and enter the digital age and be all you can be...
    I do like digital mixers - the PEQs on the main outs are usually good enough to EQ the room. That said this mini-rig with the PR10's over PRSubs might end up with an old Mackie 1604 pushing it. I have a 2U 17 lb class-D Alto D2 amp for it that is four channels of 500w @ 4 ohms for tops, subs, and two monitor mixes :).
  • GadgetGadget Posts: 4,915
    Well, there you have it... you seem to have all the answers so..I guess that's that...
    Be well
    G
  • RoadRangerRoadRanger Posts: 12
    I still might play around with it a bit before I sell it. I could use it as HPF and feedback suppressor for the two monitor feeds I think? I'd have to use up two rack spaces now with a 223 and an AFS224 and I'm trying to keep the FOH rack down to 6 spaces (Gator GR-6S). I don't usually use GEQ's on the monitors.

    BTW is there any real advantage to upgrading the firmware? I've read it only adds presets? From what I understand that requires sending it in for service?

    Thanks,
    Ron
  • DraDra Posts: 3,777
    You are correct about the presets. I wouldn't upgrade.

    DRA
  • RoadRangerRoadRanger Posts: 12
    Dra wrote:
    You are correct about the presets. I wouldn't upgrade.
    Thanks! :)
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