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Inputting EAW processor settings into 260 some conflicts
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EAW calls for a bandwidth setting. There is none that I can see in the 260 software so I assume I forget it? The 260 has bell, high shelf, low shelf, high/low shelf. I did some reading on what those are but which one should I use? The 325's crossover settings for mid/hi is (hpf 177 lpf 1600) the low is (hpf 30 or 100 bi-amp and lpf433). The mid/hi really supposed to come down to 177? Shouldn't it crossover where the lows drop in lpf? I know running a sub this would be so but with a fullrange speaker I guess I don't.
Thanks -Mark
Thanks -Mark
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In some instances we leave a small gap in the xover region to help with linearity.. but NEVER that much...
I thought you were running fullrange any way? well.. 2x4...subs and tops...
Again, depending on how much power you have..you can cross the tops as low as 70-75 hz.. but the less power you have the the higher the crossover point should be.. this way you can get the most out of your speakers... the caveat here is if your running 2 way.. the lower you go the muddier the midrange/vocals low mids are going to be as the woofer fights to reproduce the lower frequencies (think massive cone movement on the low frequencies masking the mid range frequencies that don't require nearly as much...) Your La325's however have a smaller cone midrgane (dual 6.5") to do from the 433hz area to the 2k area where the horn takes over...
G
http://eaw.com/info/EAW/Processor_Setti ... S_rev2.pdf
Anyway I got it all setup and ready to do gain structure and hit it with music to find my one 325 has a crossover issue
-Mark
Oh well I'm down to 3 1/2 hours and then I can tear down and go home to MY bed...
I would sure like to know what EAW has to say about that overlap... I mean JBL does it too but it's never that broad an overlap. Only thing I can think of is that the woofers have a big dip in the response that they are trying to make up for. I wish I could find a picture of the back of the speaker...
G
I may have overlooked it but I didn't see this answered.....EAW lists both Bandwidth and Q. You use one OR the other, NOT both. It depends on which feature the DSP (DR260 in this case) offers
I set my peq using bell is that correct?
Wasn't your gig last night? If so how did it go?
There must be an internal switch that senses the pin 2+and 2- and reroutes the inputs.. is one connector labeled "bi-amp" and the other fullrange? or are both just parallel?
G
Another question raised which I didn't bother much with is the -20db on peq 3 @ 545hz. The 260 only does -12 so do I just leave it at that of should I change the frequency or Q to accomidate the curve they want there?
Also if I crossover lower to the subs say 75hz like you suggested should I input PEQ1 settings on the lows? I can't see how it would hurt having it there anyway.
Lastly I noticed when running the GEQ wizard it tries to compensate for the cutoff in the highs at 16k. It starts a curve upwards what should I do with that just bring it down to 0db or my liking?
Thanks -Mark
In the "for what it's worth" department... I used to have a club gig where there was a pair of these hung sideways for the mains. The room was simply awful; all brass, glass, wood, 15 ft. tin ceiling, about 25' wide, about 70' long with a half loft at the back. I ran the system mono / biamped with a simple 18db/oct. EV-Tapco X-over. Bottoms were powered with a PV1200 bridge mono ea. while the mid/high was powered with a Crown 800CSL in normal stereo (dual mono?). I honestly can't remember the x-over point I used but it was probably in keeping with EAW's recommended setting. I had everything from solo acoustic guitar acts to punk bands to Jack Ingram. Often times I had to run them hard, particularly the low end since there were no subs, and they performed astonishingly well. We never blew one single component in the 4 years I managed the system.
On the other hand I did some troubleshooting / repair work on another club system that had 4 of these flown in conjunction with 4 2X18 front load subs on the floor, all powered by Crown Microtechs (or maybe Macs, can't remember). Whoever set the system up left no safeguards in place whatsoever and some unscrupulous sound person had smoked 3 of the 4 crossover networks in the LA's along with 5 of the 8 mid speakers plus 2 of the horn drivers. That was a wicked repair bill! I ended up adding the appropriate PIP card/cards to match the system requirements in hopes it would extend the life of the new components, which it did.
All that was to get to these points:
1. It's all about the setup and who's pushing the buttons.
2. I wish to God I had the benefit of the DR stuff back then, it would have made my life SO much easier!
Incidentally, those little midrange drivers were the exact same component that Peavey used in their SP3G cabs.
Would you consider the "home rolled" eq settings room dependent in this case or more general tuning tweaks and or corrections...
And what were the general problem areas?
G
The venue was outdoors. 90% of my EQ settings were of the baseline variety, doing close mic'ing of the cabinet under test. Toward the end of this procedure, the mix engineer and I spent about 10 or 15 minutes doing some balancing of the system for the venue. My focus was on the SMAART screen rather than the DriveWare screen so I was paying more attention to the results than to the frequencies I was EQing to obtain those results. One thing I did notice was a high end +20dB bump 16K to 19K that I had to tame with a high shelf. Something I don't see every day.
One thing I did notice was a high end +20dB bump 16K to 19K that I had to tame with a high shelf. Something I don't see every day.[/quote]
Sorry for Hi-jacking the thread but
I have similar result when using PostPEQ on my 260 when using settings for my Screen Arrays. If one check out the JBL Cinema settings for 3632 bi-amp and take a look at the post PEQ setting there is a cut of -4 dB at 6k and boost of 11 dB at 16k with there additional Q value. I can see this when doing my room measurment, the bump in freq respnse. When not in use there is nice flat out to 16k Hz with an natural roll of after that.
Can someone explain this to me why there have to be this bump in PEQ coming from JBL.
I asume that this have to do with screen compensation and air loss inside the cinemas.
Thanks
G
Yes, but without this setting my freq response is even better measured in my room. So this means that my twetter are in good shape
Even my PRX measures well in the higher freq.
Thanks