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Auditorium speaker wiring help needed!

vandy79vandy79 Posts: 13
edited April 2012 in DriveRack PX
Please forgive this post if I am out of line, but I did not know where else to ask such knowledgeable folks.

So after years of begging, I am finally getting a sound room built at the back of my school's auditorium. This will keep me from having to mix sound for live performances from backstage (Yea, I know). Currently our speakers are daisy chained on either side and run to a box in the center of the stage. I have attached a diagram of our current situation and would appreciate any and all advice on what to do. Thanks.


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  • DennisDennis Posts: 801
    Whats the distance between the 15s and the 12s? Do you have some model of Driverack?
  • vandy79vandy79 Posts: 13
    Sorry. Yes we have a Driverack PX. I realize that this is not the most ideal model in the Driverack line, it is what our school could afford at this time. Our speakers are approximately 35 ft. apart. I was afraid that if I ran the speaker wires into the returns on our stage snake that the signal would suffer from traveling a large distance.

    Again, I was finally granted the sound room that I have been wanting for years, and I just wanted to make sure I was utilizing my resources.
  • DennisDennis Posts: 801
    vandy79 wrote:
    I just wanted to make sure I was utilizing my resources.

    You have little in the way of resources to make use of. You need to delay the Samson 12" but the PX does not have a delay function. I found an earlier thread that you started where you described the bad acoustics in the room. Not delaying the 12s will make that worse. The Samson 15" speakers look to be a third of the way back in the room...what is covering the sound from the lip of the stage to the 15s?. You indicate that all of the speakers are wall mounted......is flying some or all of them from the ceiling an option? Getting them up higher and tilted down will help with reflections in the room.
  • DraDra Posts: 3,777
    Gadget / Dennis,
    I'll through something against the wall. Tell me if it sticks.

    In this case could he...
    Use the hi outs for the front 15's (access to filter gain and PEQs) and setting the HPF accordingly.
    Use the Lo outs for the rear 12's (access to filter gain and PEQs) and setting the HPF accordingly.

    Here is where it gets dicey. Insert a delay unit after the lo output and the 12's. By delay unit I mean an fx box, like a Peavey Deltafex for example, with the mix set to 100% wet. Of course, this would be a totally manual (by ear) tuning. This unit has 500ms available, which is more than enough for his 35' needs.

    I know. I know. :roll: :roll: Not designed for such a thing, but would it improve his situation?

    I just happen to have one for sell on Ebay. 8) :mrgreen:

    DRA
  • OklaPonyOklaPony Posts: 48
    I'm curious to know which direction and angle each of the speakers are facing. Are they facing the back of the hall or pointed down and and in towards the middle, etc., etc.?
  • vandy79vandy79 Posts: 13
    They are currently angled slightly toward center. In a wide "V" formation, but not enough to have a narrow crossover. Maybe more like "\ /" The 15" which are closest to the stage are actually quite a bit closer to the front edge of the stage than the diagram shows. I just don't know proper protocol for what I need. Once I setup my auditorium to it's fullest current potential (I realize it will never sound like Carnegie Hall), I am sure that I can manage mixing for live sound applications. It's not like we have rock bands playing in our auditorium. Choir concerts, guest speakers, lectures, a few school musicals, and the occasional student talent show are all that are really being done.
    Being a professional musician and educator, I am good at determining what a "good" sound is versus a bad one. My issue is with the science of it all. As I mentioned in an earlier thread, I am a visual and hands on learner. While I have picked up an ENORMOUS amount of information by simply reading and digesting as much of this forum as possible, there are gaps in what I know.
  • DennisDennis Posts: 801
    Dra wrote:
    I just happen to have one for sell on Ebay.

    Bad DRA bad. No biscuit for you
  • GadgetGadget Posts: 4,915
    :lol::lol::lol: too funny..just sittin here and watching the action. Gyms are difficult at best...get then system as flat as possible, get the sound off the walls, ceiling and floors (hard surfaces) and on the water bags. It would probably be better to have a cluster near the stage aimed down at the seating...Then know that there is a point of no return, and don't exceed that level...

    That's a bad deal with the speakers mounted the way they are...

    Gadget
  • DraDra Posts: 3,777
    Dennis wrote:
    Dra wrote:
    I just happen to have one for sell on Ebay.

    Bad DRA bad. No biscuit for you


    :mrgreen: It has sold. :D

    I no longer have a vested ($) interest, but my question remains. Would the use of such a device (not a true system device) be of ANY benefit in this application?

    DRA
  • DennisDennis Posts: 801
    Dra wrote:
    I no longer have a vested ($) interest, but my question remains. Would the use of such a device (not a true system device) be of ANY benefit in this application? DRA

    Maybe it could be made to work in an adequate fashion but it is not the correct tool for the job and I wouldn't suggest it as a possible solution to this problem because someone reading this thread might take me seriously.
  • DennisDennis Posts: 801
    vandy79 wrote:
    They are currently angled slightly toward center. In a wide "V" formation, but not enough to have a narrow crossover. Maybe more like "\ /" The 15" which are closest to the stage are actually quite a bit closer to the front edge of the stage than the diagram shows.

    One of my questions didn't get answered....can you mount speakers from the ceiling? Also, what is the current trim height of the speakers (from floor to top of speaker)? What is ceiling height?
  • duck995duck995 Posts: 2
    Using a delay unit was mentioned for your 12". Not too long ago I bought a Rane Digital Audio Delay AD 22d for under $100. Pretty easy to use. It sounds like there are other solutions that would be better, but thought I would throw that in.
  • GadgetGadget Posts: 4,915
    Hmmm duck, you do see that there has been no activity on this thread for well over a month right? Your post puzzles me...
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