Pentair i-Link?
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Does anyone know if a Pentair i-Link (serial adapter) requires a null modem adapter to cross over pins 2/3 when connecting to the master's serial port.
Does anyone know if we could connect directly to the Pentair's com bus via RS485 and not use the i-Link adpater?
Does anyone know if we could connect directly to the Pentair's com bus via RS485 and not use the i-Link adpater?
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Disregarded i-Link pin out instructions:
I recall you do have to purchase the over priced iLink though. I didn't want to run the risk of damaging the controller and there does not appear to be any other way to connect to the keypad bus.
I have it communicating now and maybe if I used the cable specified in the module It would have just worked. Seems I should have been able to just connect straight into the master as it work connecting directly into my PC.
I'm using the standard netlinx module and if I find it works well and does everything I need I'll just continue using it.
I might be possible just to connect to the RS485 bus but I too don't want to waste time or fry the system but it doesn't hurt to ask if anyone has tried. It could be just a 232 to 485 converter they're selling us.
I've always used the adapter, and never connected to the 485 bus, so I don't know if that would work.
Maybe the note below from the i-Link doc is just them stating they've already shorted these pins together. At first I thought that meant they wanted me to connect to these pins but since it didn't make sense to do that I ignored it and went with my gut instinct which worked. Directly connecting to a DB-9 port on the master didn't nor did it work with a null modem adpater.
This had me baffled cuz I could query the system and recieve a correct respons but I couldn't issue commands, I would even tually receive a timeout error when trying to control the system. Given the explanation I received from the tech is quite possible my TX/RX lines are fine to the i-Link and my RX on the i-Link from the Pentair system is also god since I receive the correct value but my TX line to the Pentair from the i-Link might be bad or crossed. I had assumed since I was sending queries and received proper responces to the queries that comms had to be good but apparantely is wasn't that simple of an operation.
Mean while on another job the pool guys are telling me that I don't need an i-Link, that any 232-485 protocol adapter will work cuz that's what the Craptron guys use. Of course I never met a pool guy that knew what they were talking about and the tech did sound credable and it also makes sense that no one here as ever used the Pentair system directly via 485. Oy vey!
I did find in a pool forum that some software guy connected to Pentair's Itellitouch system direct to the rs485 bus and reverse engineered their protocol to make it work. He said there is some benefit to doing that since there are some parts of the Pentair system like the intelliflo pumps that aren't accessable and whose values aren't available to the i-Link interface.
I checked the wiring on saturday and put a keypad on the wire running form the i-Link to the Pentair and it worked. I still query various states ok and when I try to control something I get a response but it always the current state and not the state I'm trying to set. I'll have to make another call to Pentair this week and see what they recommend trying.
http://www.cocoontech.com/forums/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=173
It's a Canadian Security & Automation forum download page of the reverse engineered protocol. Unfortunately it will take some time for me to make sense of the files. Maybe I'll try this on the next pool but for now I'd be happy getting control of the system using the i-Link.
9600,n,8,1 485 enabled
Yeah, I agree, I have another side project I am working on first, but I would love to come back to this, you get a much higher level of control!
Aside from the little serial line reset-issue on the Jandy we have had pretty good success with them, but a new client is asking us to look at using Pentair (we avoided them 5 years ago); I had heard that Pentair is a bit troublesome; can you guys comment on how good the Pentair is compared to the Jandy?
Thanks!
Bump this up to the top...
I'll keep an open mind towards Pentair in the future.