The labs play DEEP and project far and loud but are BIG and HEAVY but if your looking for something to really blow your mind, they will do it! and yes they would play very nicely with the labs. The version one is what I built with the back corners cut off at the angles that the internal corners are at so you can add handles and wheels for better portability. We have 6 and outdoors with one digam 5000 powering them they could be FELT 1/4 mile away! Now, you could easily build the cabs for the Beyma's you already own and that would not cost much, but the labs need the 2 Eminence 12\" \"LAB12\" speakers and around 3 sheets of plywood... don't even think about using MDF! or even oriented strand board. You could use the tops and LBD series fanes... they would work well together...I bet the Beyma 18's in the Fane cabs would be just about as good as the 15\" are...
Good luck and keep me informed.. oh and tell that BOZO that gave you the plans to find something else he might ACTUALLY be good at!
Yes the LABsubs will work in two's, but they really start to come into their own with 4, and 6 is DEVASTATING! We did a show as a LASER company and their was a large outdoor concert rig with 8 double 18's on each side of the stage, and each pair powered by a Crown MAC 5000... the system couldn't even be heard with the LABS firing...The concert provider was SO PISSED! and we had been using only one, 1 rack space, 17 lb amp, the Digam 5000! It was amazing...
That sounds like a good plan! So you have 4 of the Beyma 18's? I always liked those drivers they are just scarce and expensive here...Do you have a source for the Eminence LAB12 speakers? Here their about $120 American.
Yes i have 4 beymas already, when i did the first rig my plan was to complete the tops with 2 18P1000 but at time for order it i found the 18P1200nd and i orderd 4 of the 18P1200 instead, and yes i had to w8 long for them no one in sweden had them in stock and also a agressive listprice of almost 1000 dollar each( swedish crowns to dollars). I spent lots of time looking up drivers and it was about the most powerful i could find.
lab speaker listprice here is 358 dollar each and on the place i found the XB s its around 160 with shipping...
Why is everything funny expensive here?
Its hollidays here and on monday i gonna speak to the wood guy about the lab cabs and see if he have the guts...
Easiest and best way is to find someone with a CNC router.... they can cut that wood up fast and accurate. There are pans available for those type machines. Sorry about the language difference but you do very well. If you don't understand something ask.. ok? I'm not sure the status of the Digam series, they may haver been discontinued, but yes Powersoft is the manufacturer. Even the 5000 was about $2700 USD I believe, but nearly any load, and really good sounding with huge damping factor. Just to be sure build one of the boxes first and verify it will be ok, but the TS parameters look pretty good.
Yo!
Have you ever been to one of those concerts where your pants were flapping and the shirt on your back is too? Where your guts are quivering and you feel waves of bass wash over you like heat waves on a hot summer day...Ya baby... THATS the LABsubs! 4 subs will go sub 30 hz, 6 sub 25hz...I've had guys throw up form the bass, but never crap their pants... yet :shock: 8 is so devastating it takes about 20 tops maybe more to come close!
Here is a pic of how the fane 15 cabs turned out..
Here are 2 of the tops:
I will take a pic when all rig is done!
Havent heard from the woodguy yet about the labs..
The more i look and lift and hear the xti amp i get more convinced to change the rmx amps to light weight amps..
I got a nice price on them when i bought them and think i will get the money back if i sell them so maby its worth it..
Crown or Powersoft is the thing to go for?
Nope havent felt that yet! but maby in the futere i will :twisted: and will secure my self with a diper and a pukebag when i connect them for the first time!
Your going to put grills on right? For some reason people love to push in the dust caps...
The powersoft amps are my first choice, but like the lab gruppens and the Itech amps from crown ... very expensive...But they are full digital amps, the XTI series and QSC PLX are conventional amps with a digital power supply...
G
Yes, grills on, i did some testgrills on the other cabs but havent found the right stuff to use yet, i tried with regular holed plate but i think its to much plate and little holes...gonna check with my metallsuplier what he can fix, what plate do you use?
Yeah those were expensive! :shock: Im gonna see if the guy who fixed the xb s can get hold of powersoft (they arent a dealer for them as it looks from the site) but out of the question to bye them in sweden...
How much is a digam K4 at ur place? that is the powersoft amp to replace a 4050 with?
Expanded metal or perforated depending on if I need strength as in monitors that these idiots lOVE to stand on! We have a ton of choices here. As for the Digam I'm not sure, I haven't even kept track of my rep...but I'll talk to Bones (my kid) and see what he can find out. I think they were in the $3000 range though :shock:
G
Sorry for not bin around, to much work interfearing...
oki the perforeted plate is what i used, gonna look up more
i havent started with the cabs for the 18\"beymas yet, but 1 thing was fun..
the guy who fixes the birch ply had 2 double 18 cabs and i borrowed 1 of them to try, simular to the G sub on the speakerplan.com site but a bit bigger, i was thinking u said the fane 18 cab for the beyma and the G sub was built for colossus 18xb so it whould be good maby..
but... it was exactly the same bad flappy sound, strange huh?
difficult driver?
sent a pm by mistake should have bin posted here...
Im up to build those 18\" fane subs but have a quest, do i use same pipelength as it had bin colossus driver or i need to change it for the 18P1200nd driver i have?
Well... according to my data the VAS is >200 liters, so the port length could be shorter...With an Xmax 3 times that of the Fane (BTW.. Fane just recently went out of business...BUMMER... BUT the P audio Drivers have several great matches... I would try the box as speced for the Fane, it IS a great design...
So you put the Fane woofer in the (speaker.com) box and it sounded bad?
i havent started with the cabs for the 18\"beymas yet, but 1 thing was fun..
the guy who fixes the birch ply had 2 double 18 cabs and i borrowed 1 of them to try, simular to the G sub on the speakerplan.com site but a bit bigger, i was thinking u said the fane 18 cab for the beyma and the G sub was built for colossus 18xb so it whould be good maby..
I think the beyma will sound good in the box because it's a good design, you could try shorter tubes since the VAS of the is 226 liters, and the Beyma is 195...To tune it properly you could start with the tubes the same length, but not fastened, cut a few mm off at a time and retest, but I bet the box really ROCKS! as is...
I just put in a new system and went 4 way.. 2, 2\" horn X 12\" per side, 1X18 turbo's 8 of them and 2 labsubs... You NEED to hear the Labsubs ... man do they ROCK! This is the most insane sounding club system I have ever heard! The floor actually MOVES with the bass...The only system I ever FELT like this was with Frank Zappa, at Northrop auditorium on the campus of the University of Minnesota, and I was front row balcony, and the whole balcony was moving up and down.. I almost got sick!
How about some finished pix.. I will do likewise
Good to hear from you.. don't be a stranger
Gadget
No, i tryed the beyma driver in the speaker.com box and it was pretty much the same bad sound as before with my own design on box...
BUT the 15\" fane boxes you told me to build is realy sick, its like someone is smashing things in my chest and face infront of them... Almost scared
when i have my finger on the mixer :shock: hihihihi
Oki, i have ordered the ply to the 4 18\" boxes and hope i can have them running in a cpl of weeks, still to much freakin work...
That system sounds cool! Yes i NEED to hear them, they sound realy cool
Realy like to see pics of it!!
LOL @ moving balcony, that must have bin a crazy feeling.
Another thing..
Im in start of a new project, a Whitesnake tribute band and the rehearsal room is pretty small, so im gonna use the 2 15\"fane subs
and 2 of the tops i have, gonna do song and keyboard on it
I go low 60 to 250, mid 250 to 1050, hi 1050 and up as u said before when using the other subs 40 to 60 or i put the 15\" lower?
Good to hear from you to!! I will post pics on whole rig when all is done!
I guess I'm not exactly sure what your asking? Those Subs (the Fane 15\") are capable of 45 hz or so...BW18. That would give you about 40 hz 3db down...they will also do up to about 1000 hz. Are you asking me what to do with the 18\" Beyma's added? BTW.. I'd build ONE box and see how it sounds before building all 4.. should something be radically wrong.. (which I don't think will happen) with that design...
You think those boxes are sick, the labs will make you smile...and if you get the girls standing in front of them THEY will smile too
I wondered more how to set it up without the 18\" s, for the use with song and keyboard on them, but i guess its no diffrence without them.. :roll: I see now how i typed it... no wonder you dident understood what i meant
Im gonna build 2 of them labs this winter, i must have them! Smiling girls are never wrong!
Hey Fredrik!
Ya the Labs are the BOMB... To be honest, in side by side comparison with some of the worlds best (read that MOST expensive too) the LABsubs showed some up but was never really bested by any...even those that cost $8-12,000 dollars :shock: Each! They are large, and cumbersome.. but MAN do they rock!
As for your setup, use the 45hz BW18@ for the hipass, use the 250 hz @ LR24 for the hipass, spread a few hz and have the tops @ LR24 to..I would recommend 1200 hz .. LR 24 for the adjacent crossovers your horn diaphragm will last longer.. 1000hz is kind of an irritating frequency, and having a crossover there isn't my cup of tea...
Cool! Thanks for the update.. turned some blokes down Aussie way on to them as well... they said \" I think I better set up a dental appointment I think they knocked my fillings out.. :shock:
Glad you like them...
Gary
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The labs play DEEP and project far and loud but are BIG and HEAVY but if your looking for something to really blow your mind, they will do it! and yes they would play very nicely with the labs. The version one is what I built with the back corners cut off at the angles that the internal corners are at so you can add handles and wheels for better portability. We have 6 and outdoors with one digam 5000 powering them they could be FELT 1/4 mile away! Now, you could easily build the cabs for the Beyma's you already own and that would not cost much, but the labs need the 2 Eminence 12\" \"LAB12\" speakers and around 3 sheets of plywood... don't even think about using MDF! or even oriented strand board. You could use the tops and LBD series fanes... they would work well together...I bet the Beyma 18's in the Fane cabs would be just about as good as the 15\" are...
Good luck and keep me informed.. oh and tell that BOZO that gave you the plans to find something else he might ACTUALLY be good at!
Gadget
Had som sleep and have bin thinking....
This is what i do:
I build 4 fanecabs for the 18\" that is easy to transport etc and easy to build fast now and as i also have 4 drivers...
But i also am sold on the labsubs, i want to build them just to hear them...Also need to hold that cool driver in my hand :twisted:
Was thinking maby i can have 2 as reinforcment if we have bigger gigs sometime and need some more power? or i need more of them to work well?
/Fredrik
That sounds like a good plan! So you have 4 of the Beyma 18's? I always liked those drivers they are just scarce and expensive here...Do you have a source for the Eminence LAB12 speakers? Here their about $120 American.
Keep me informed ok?
Gadget
Rofl those Labs must be sick and also the amp
Yes i have 4 beymas already, when i did the first rig my plan was to complete the tops with 2 18P1000 but at time for order it i found the 18P1200nd and i orderd 4 of the 18P1200 instead, and yes i had to w8 long for them no one in sweden had them in stock and also a agressive listprice of almost 1000 dollar each( swedish crowns to dollars). I spent lots of time looking up drivers and it was about the most powerful i could find.
lab speaker listprice here is 358 dollar each and on the place i found the XB s its around 160 with shipping...
Why is everything funny expensive here?
Its hollidays here and on monday i gonna speak to the wood guy about the lab cabs and see if he have the guts...
/Fredrik
Gadget
I get the plywood for 1 fanecab in the end of week...
Also spoke to him about the labs, he is gonna check if he can do it..
Im so curios to hear those labs i can hardly sleep...
/Fredrik
Have you ever been to one of those concerts where your pants were flapping and the shirt on your back is too? Where your guts are quivering and you feel waves of bass wash over you like heat waves on a hot summer day...Ya baby... THATS the LABsubs! 4 subs will go sub 30 hz, 6 sub 25hz...I've had guys throw up form the bass, but never crap their pants... yet :shock: 8 is so devastating it takes about 20 tops maybe more to come close!
Have fun..
gadget
Here is a pic of how the fane 15 cabs turned out..
Here are 2 of the tops:
I will take a pic when all rig is done!
Havent heard from the woodguy yet about the labs..
The more i look and lift and hear the xti amp i get more convinced to change the rmx amps to light weight amps..
I got a nice price on them when i bought them and think i will get the money back if i sell them so maby its worth it..
Crown or Powersoft is the thing to go for?
Nope havent felt that yet!
tnx
//Fredrik
Your going to put grills on right? For some reason people love to push in the dust caps...
The powersoft amps are my first choice, but like the lab gruppens and the Itech amps from crown ... very expensive...But they are full digital amps, the XTI series and QSC PLX are conventional amps with a digital power supply...
G
Yes, grills on, i did some testgrills on the other cabs but havent found the right stuff to use yet, i tried with regular holed plate but i think its to much plate and little holes...gonna check with my metallsuplier what he can fix, what plate do you use?
Yeah those were expensive! :shock: Im gonna see if the guy who fixed the xb s can get hold of powersoft (they arent a dealer for them as it looks from the site) but out of the question to bye them in sweden...
How much is a digam K4 at ur place? that is the powersoft amp to replace a 4050 with?
Tnx
/Fredrik
G
Sorry for not bin around, to much work interfearing...
oki the perforeted plate is what i used, gonna look up more
i havent started with the cabs for the 18\"beymas yet, but 1 thing was fun..
the guy who fixes the birch ply had 2 double 18 cabs and i borrowed 1 of them to try, simular to the G sub on the speakerplan.com site but a bit bigger, i was thinking u said the fane 18 cab for the beyma and the G sub was built for colossus 18xb so it whould be good maby..
but... it was exactly the same bad flappy sound, strange huh?
difficult driver?
digam is at 6000 dollar range here...
//Fredrik
sent a pm by mistake should have bin posted here...
Im up to build those 18\" fane subs but have a quest, do i use same pipelength as it had bin colossus driver or i need to change it for the 18P1200nd driver i have?
Hope everything is fine with you!
Thanks
Fredrik
So you put the Fane woofer in the (speaker.com) box and it sounded bad?
I think the beyma will sound good in the box because it's a good design, you could try shorter tubes since the VAS of the is 226 liters, and the Beyma is 195...To tune it properly you could start with the tubes the same length, but not fastened, cut a few mm off at a time and retest, but I bet the box really ROCKS! as is...
I just put in a new system and went 4 way.. 2, 2\" horn X 12\" per side, 1X18 turbo's 8 of them and 2 labsubs... You NEED to hear the Labsubs ... man do they ROCK! This is the most insane sounding club system I have ever heard! The floor actually MOVES with the bass...The only system I ever FELT like this was with Frank Zappa, at Northrop auditorium on the campus of the University of Minnesota, and I was front row balcony, and the whole balcony was moving up and down.. I almost got sick!
How about some finished pix.. I will do likewise
Good to hear from you.. don't be a stranger
Gadget
No, i tryed the beyma driver in the speaker.com box and it was pretty much the same bad sound as before with my own design on box...
BUT the 15\" fane boxes you told me to build is realy sick, its like someone is smashing things in my chest and face infront of them... Almost scared
when i have my finger on the mixer :shock: hihihihi
Oki, i have ordered the ply to the 4 18\" boxes and hope i can have them running in a cpl of weeks, still to much freakin work...
That system sounds cool! Yes i NEED to hear them, they sound realy cool
Realy like to see pics of it!!
LOL @ moving balcony, that must have bin a crazy feeling.
Another thing..
Im in start of a new project, a Whitesnake tribute band and the rehearsal room is pretty small, so im gonna use the 2 15\"fane subs
and 2 of the tops i have, gonna do song and keyboard on it
I go low 60 to 250, mid 250 to 1050, hi 1050 and up as u said before when using the other subs 40 to 60 or i put the 15\" lower?
Good to hear from you to!! I will post pics on whole rig when all is done!
Thanks alot for your help!!!
//Fredrik
You think those boxes are sick, the labs will make you smile...and if you get the girls standing in front of them THEY will smile too
G
I wondered more how to set it up without the 18\" s, for the use with song and keyboard on them, but i guess its no diffrence without them.. :roll: I see now how i typed it... no wonder you dident understood what i meant
Im gonna build 2 of them labs this winter, i must have them! Smiling girls are never wrong!
Thanks
//Fredrik
Ya the Labs are the BOMB... To be honest, in side by side comparison with some of the worlds best (read that MOST expensive too) the LABsubs showed some up but was never really bested by any...even those that cost $8-12,000 dollars :shock: Each! They are large, and cumbersome.. but MAN do they rock!
As for your setup, use the 45hz BW18@ for the hipass, use the 250 hz @ LR24 for the hipass, spread a few hz and have the tops @ LR24 to..I would recommend 1200 hz .. LR 24 for the adjacent crossovers your horn diaphragm will last longer.. 1000hz is kind of an irritating frequency, and having a crossover there isn't my cup of tea...
Gadget
I hope all is fine with you!
Finaly got the ply to the fane 18 testbox from wood guy yesterday and put
it together and goin to rehersalroom on sunday to try it out!!!
Other stuff is now used in our rehersalroom atm and its sounds realy nice!! Friends in band are verry happy about the sound to! Tnx to you gadget!
I get back on sunday with report and pic on box!!
Have a nice day!
//Fredrik
Glad you like them...
Gary