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Confused about gain structure / setup
TyrolMedia
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Hi there,
I recently purchased a DRPA+ and have it sounding decent with my system, but I'm concerned I don't have a good gain structure set up nor that the auto level wizard has configured my xover gain levels properly.
What I did when initially set up the DRPA+ preset for my system:
1. Ran the config wizard, selected stereo operation, custom bi-amped tops (see specs below, my tops are not in the DRPA), selected my subs, selected the amps (all crown xti's) powering each segment of the 3-way and set the attenuators on each amp to match the knob position on the DRPA+. Hooked up my DBX RTA mic and positioned it centered 25ft back from the mains. The system did its autoleveling thing and then I went through the rest of the wizard.
Issues:
1. When at a show running full bore, my mixer master outs are @ just under clipping, the input meter on the DRPA+ peak @ 3, and my low & mid TH LEDs are flickering red, although the output meters for each band on the DRPA+ are barely coming up.
2. In my xover settings, the autoleveler brought my low-end down to like -20 and the low band is barely audible. If I bring that level back up to like -7, the system sounds beautiful and well-balanced. Why did it pull it so low??
Below are my system specs:
[Running stereo]
(2) Yorkville Elite L704 tops / bi-amped / Crown Xti1000 - highs / Crown Xti 4000 - mids
(2) Yorkville Elite LS1004 subs on (2) Crown Xti 2000's / bridged / 1-Left, 1-Right
Mixer = Presonus StudioLive 24 ch
Thoughts:
I know that when I create my preset and plug in my amp config, the DRPA+ supposedly takes care of the gain structure between the DRPA and the amps. What about between my mixer and the DRPA+ in? Here is my thinking, tell me if I'm wrong!
1. Run pink noise from a test CD through my mixer and set the master at just below clip.
2. Adjust the master level knob on the back of my Presonus so that the input meter on the DRPA+ is just below clipping @ steady 3.
3. Adjust xover levels on each of the 3 bands so that the output level meters on the DRPA+ are just below clipping. (This is where I am truly unsure, but I reason that pink noise is even across the spectrum, so therefore when a steady level of it is run out of the DRPA+, all 3 bands should have similar output levels metered, correct?)
4. Set limiters on each band accordingly to protect spikes.
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks.
I recently purchased a DRPA+ and have it sounding decent with my system, but I'm concerned I don't have a good gain structure set up nor that the auto level wizard has configured my xover gain levels properly.
What I did when initially set up the DRPA+ preset for my system:
1. Ran the config wizard, selected stereo operation, custom bi-amped tops (see specs below, my tops are not in the DRPA), selected my subs, selected the amps (all crown xti's) powering each segment of the 3-way and set the attenuators on each amp to match the knob position on the DRPA+. Hooked up my DBX RTA mic and positioned it centered 25ft back from the mains. The system did its autoleveling thing and then I went through the rest of the wizard.
Issues:
1. When at a show running full bore, my mixer master outs are @ just under clipping, the input meter on the DRPA+ peak @ 3, and my low & mid TH LEDs are flickering red, although the output meters for each band on the DRPA+ are barely coming up.
2. In my xover settings, the autoleveler brought my low-end down to like -20 and the low band is barely audible. If I bring that level back up to like -7, the system sounds beautiful and well-balanced. Why did it pull it so low??
Below are my system specs:
[Running stereo]
(2) Yorkville Elite L704 tops / bi-amped / Crown Xti1000 - highs / Crown Xti 4000 - mids
(2) Yorkville Elite LS1004 subs on (2) Crown Xti 2000's / bridged / 1-Left, 1-Right
Mixer = Presonus StudioLive 24 ch
Thoughts:
I know that when I create my preset and plug in my amp config, the DRPA+ supposedly takes care of the gain structure between the DRPA and the amps. What about between my mixer and the DRPA+ in? Here is my thinking, tell me if I'm wrong!
1. Run pink noise from a test CD through my mixer and set the master at just below clip.
2. Adjust the master level knob on the back of my Presonus so that the input meter on the DRPA+ is just below clipping @ steady 3.
3. Adjust xover levels on each of the 3 bands so that the output level meters on the DRPA+ are just below clipping. (This is where I am truly unsure, but I reason that pink noise is even across the spectrum, so therefore when a steady level of it is run out of the DRPA+, all 3 bands should have similar output levels metered, correct?)
4. Set limiters on each band accordingly to protect spikes.
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks.
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Setup>Wizard
exit by pressing the Program (home) key
Press the Xover button, (tell us what the wizard set the xovers and gains at) here I would set up the xovers and gains (roughed in) by what I think they should be (especially if they are not in the menu.. I have the Yorkie Elite 2204's..
Then I use this method for gain structure:
viewtopic.php?f=61&t=959
You'll find a lot more help in the FAQ's:
viewforum.php?f=60
As well..
Gadget
How is this process adapted to gain setup when top boxes are passive and subs are active powered speakers where the speakers cannot be disconnected from the internal amp.
ta
Pete
cheers!