I have used a Traynor PA. The \"amp\" was a 4 channel box (about 12 x 16 x 12) with a lid. It had a built cross-over section and could go 4-way, or 2 way and 2 mon mixes. Seem like it had about 2kw. The speakers were 1 x 15 horn loaded backwards like a w-bin, no vents. Probably a 28\" cube (a few extra inches on the height for the horn. The cab had a 1\" horn and 2 tweets. The sub was closer to the cube size and was also a 15 in the same config. The tops had a x-over with an \"extender out\" to the sub. They actually got pretty loud and had good kick and snares output.
I've looked for them online in the past and no luck at all.
OK, here's the skinny on the EX2000, circa 1994. From the catalog...
XLR on all cabs, except the EX2000, which has Speakon.
3/4\" Poplar
Light bulb protection
X-over slopes = 18db
CA-NA-DA EH!
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Geez Dra..whats with the 20 questions...and ya.. Sunn Colosseum amps...maybe NOT what you were talking about :roll: :roll: but correct none the less...
So move that bi-amp crossover to 1500hz LR24
:arrow:
Any truth that spraying WD-40 on your horn flare makes them throw farther and reduces feedback? Something to do with sub-molecular alignment.
Newton was the first to try WD-40 with his Unity (tm) horn, but stopped researching it when an apple fell on his head.
Dra is our resident jester... we rely on him to keep things off topic ... especially when the tension level rises around here... thank god \"GADGIT\" has been too busy to grace us with his \"flaming\" personality...
Dra... anyone who is \"in the know\" remembers when Newton built a horn out of carbon graphite...accelerated the sound to the point that the air molecules vaporized in the path of the horn... singed his eyebrows ... end of story...
I yield the floor to the gentleman from MN. Hear, hear. Or is it, here, here? Here, hear? Hear, here? Now that's a research project.
Gadget, was is you that was into phrasialogical conception?
So I'm at the Hall, this past weekend, all excited to get my 3 way going but it just wouldn't work. I mean, I had everything plugged in correctly
Yorkville 4040 going into the L/R of the lows on the DRPA, the Yorkville 3400 going to the L/R of the mids and the QSC going to the L/R of the Highs.
I setup the speakers to Bi-Amp, made sure I was on the correct pre-set for 3-way on the DRPA and it just didn't work. When I turned up the mid amp (3400) it seemed like it was getting feedback but everything was muted on the mixer except the CD player channel. Thin the amp's Clip safty turned on. The Hi Amp (QSC) would start clipping at if I truned up the volume on it past 1/4 of the way...
Any Ideas what I'm doing wrong here.. I know the speakers Bi-Amp works as another band has used it and they said it worked perfectly. I know the DBX is setup right, as I followed all your instructions on here. I know all the amps work because when I went back to the original setup (2-way) using just the QSC for Mid/Highs, and the 4040 for Lows it works fine. (also tested the 3400 on the mid/highs in fullrange and works fine). I just couldn't figure out why it was clipping on both the mid and hi amps...
What do you all think?? Its probably me but where am I going wrong?
Do you have a place to set up the mixer, DRPA, Amps and 1 ea top and sub and leave it for a day so or so? For this kind of trouble shooting there is going to be a lot of \"do this, what happened?\".
Yes.. In my 2 car garage... currently the 2 tops are there.. Will have a friend over later to help bring up the subs and the amps...I'll give you a heads up as soon as I get it setup again..
Ok.. Got it all setup in the garage... damn, speakers are heavy when you need to take them up the stairs from the basement Anyways, here is an update on how the DRPA is setup
L=40.0 kz BW 18 0.0dB
L=100Hz LR24
M=100Hz LR24 0.0dB
M=1.50KHz LR24
H=1.50 Khz LR24 0.0dB
I've tested again and it just sounds so Bassy.. Full-Range sounds so much more full and bright. But if I do crank the sound up to high it starts to clip the mid and high amp..
Open the EQ section and get to the PEQ type.
Select Hi.
Select Hi shelf.
F1
Set the slope at 12.
Set the gain at +6db
Set the freq at 3K
Select Low.
F1
Select Lo shelf.
Set the slope to 12
Set the gain to -7db.
Set the Freq to 35hz
F2
Set Q to 2.6
Set the gain to +5db.
Set the freq to 45hz
That about mimics the bi-amp processor settings of the 2204.
Ok i've tried out those settings.. Sound is still very mono toned. Sounds like there is no hi's really coming out.. And if I turn up the volume the top and mid amp clip and then cut off... Not sure what Im' doing wrong...
PS. PEQ for Hi F1 does not have slope.. I found it under F3 if that makes a difference?
When I switch the speakers back to full-range, and use the Hi Output of the DRPA It's all Highs.. no mids. Very High pitched. Turned it up a bit and the amp did not seem to clip.
Dennis,
Currently the setup is as follows,
DRPA Low's L/R - XLR - Yorkville AP4040 Speakon out to Speakon on Subs
DRPA Mid's L/R - XLR - Yorkville AP3400 Bannana Plug out into Speakon on Tops
DRPA Highs L/R - XLR - QSC 2450 Speakon out to Speakon on Tops
Are the speaker lines for mids and highs terminating into one speakon (4 conductors) or into 2 speakons (2 conductors each) at the Yorkville Elite EX2000 input?
Are the speaker lines for mids and highs terminating into one speakon (4 conductors) or into 2 speakons (2 conductors each) at the Yorkville Elite EX2000 input?
Dennis
I've got a cable for each Amp/speaker.. 1 speakon to speakon for subs, 1 Speakon to Speakon for Mids, 1 Banana Clip to Speakon for the highs..
So each side (Left/Right) get 3 cables.. So 2 conductors each.
So the speaker cable for the mid should be wired 1+ on the amp end to 1+ on the speaker end (and 1- wired to 1- on each end).
The speaker cable for the high should be wired from the minus side of the banana connector to 2- of the speakon and positive side of the banana connector to 2+ of the speakon.
So the speaker cable for the mid should be wired 1+ on the amp end to 1+ on the speaker end (and 1- wired to 1- on each end).
The speaker cable for the high should be wired from the minus side of the banana connector to 2- of the speakon and positive side of the banana connector to 2+ of the speakon.
Is this the case?
Dennis
Doubled checked and the banana clip goes from - to the speakon 1- (there is only 1- 1+ of the speakon connection I got). The other speakon to speakon has 1- 1+ and 2- 2+ and is wired 1- 1+
You will have to get two 4 conductor speakon connectors and wire your banana cables as I suggested and then you should be rockin'. Right now, you have the output of the QSC wired directly to the output of the 3400 when all speaker cables are connected. OUCH!
You will have to get two 4 conductor speakon connectors and wire your banana cables as I suggested and then you should be rockin'. Right now, you have the output of the QSC wired directly to the output of the 3400 when all speaker cables are connected. OUCH!
Dennis
Damn.. this entire time it's been the cable?? Damn... Damn.. I've been racking my brain over this.. I'll give it a try..
Bad weather blew through and I lost my connection.
Good call Dennis.
You are sooo lucky that \"1\" is the standard for the lower input or your horns would be fried.
I have a small change to the Low PEQ.
Change the type to Bell.
Put the F2 info into the F1 slot and add
F2
Freq - 80hz
Q - 3
Gain - (+2db)
Well guys, Dennis was on the money... My stupid eagerness overlooked the + - of the speaker cable. Once again, thanks so much for all the help you guys gave me.. I not only learned a lot, but now want to get better at it.. Thanks again
Comments
I've looked for them online in the past and no luck at all.
Gadget, ever heard of Sunn?
DRA
Dennis
DRA
XLR on all cabs, except the EX2000, which has Speakon.
3/4\" Poplar
Light bulb protection
X-over slopes = 18db
3-way
1000w
4 ohm
105db @ 1w/1m
135db max @ 1m
55-20KHZ (=/- 3db)
woofers (2) RCF
2\" horn B&C
1\" tweeter B&C
X-over - 1.5 K, 8K
60 x 40 degrees
The catalog mentions with the P-2003 processor that the woffoer and horn is split, so that confirm the use of the internal for the horn and tweet.
DRA
Dennis
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Geez Dra..whats with the 20 questions...and ya.. Sunn Colosseum amps...maybe NOT what you were talking about :roll: :roll: but correct none the less...
So move that bi-amp crossover to 1500hz LR24
:arrow:
Newton was the first to try WD-40 with his Unity (tm) horn, but stopped researching it when an apple fell on his head.
DRA
PS- It's Friday!
Dennis
DRA
Dra... anyone who is \"in the know\" remembers when Newton built a horn out of carbon graphite...accelerated the sound to the point that the air molecules vaporized in the path of the horn... singed his eyebrows ... end of story...
:roll:
Gadget, was is you that was into phrasialogical conception?
DRA
So I'm at the Hall, this past weekend, all excited to get my 3 way going but it just wouldn't work. I mean, I had everything plugged in correctly
Yorkville 4040 going into the L/R of the lows on the DRPA, the Yorkville 3400 going to the L/R of the mids and the QSC going to the L/R of the Highs.
I setup the speakers to Bi-Amp, made sure I was on the correct pre-set for 3-way on the DRPA and it just didn't work. When I turned up the mid amp (3400) it seemed like it was getting feedback but everything was muted on the mixer except the CD player channel. Thin the amp's Clip safty turned on. The Hi Amp (QSC) would start clipping at if I truned up the volume on it past 1/4 of the way...
Any Ideas what I'm doing wrong here.. I know the speakers Bi-Amp works as another band has used it and they said it worked perfectly. I know the DBX is setup right, as I followed all your instructions on here. I know all the amps work because when I went back to the original setup (2-way) using just the QSC for Mid/Highs, and the 4040 for Lows it works fine. (also tested the 3400 on the mid/highs in fullrange and works fine). I just couldn't figure out why it was clipping on both the mid and hi amps...
What do you all think?? Its probably me but where am I going wrong?
DRA
Thanks
L=40.0 kz BW 18 0.0dB
L=100Hz LR24
M=100Hz LR24 0.0dB
M=1.50KHz LR24
H=1.50 Khz LR24 0.0dB
I've tested again and it just sounds so Bassy.. Full-Range sounds so much more full and bright. But if I do crank the sound up to high it starts to clip the mid and high amp..
Select Hi.
Select Hi shelf.
F1
Set the slope at 12.
Set the gain at +6db
Set the freq at 3K
Select Low.
F1
Select Lo shelf.
Set the slope to 12
Set the gain to -7db.
Set the Freq to 35hz
F2
Set Q to 2.6
Set the gain to +5db.
Set the freq to 45hz
That about mimics the bi-amp processor settings of the 2204.
DRA
PS. PEQ for Hi F1 does not have slope.. I found it under F3 if that makes a difference?
Thanks
Plug the hi out (as configured) into the full range input. What do the highs sound like now?
DRA
Dennis
When I switch the speakers back to full-range, and use the Hi Output of the DRPA It's all Highs.. no mids. Very High pitched. Turned it up a bit and the amp did not seem to clip.
Dennis,
Currently the setup is as follows,
DRPA Low's L/R - XLR - Yorkville AP4040 Speakon out to Speakon on Subs
DRPA Mid's L/R - XLR - Yorkville AP3400 Bannana Plug out into Speakon on Tops
DRPA Highs L/R - XLR - QSC 2450 Speakon out to Speakon on Tops
Dennis
I've got a cable for each Amp/speaker.. 1 speakon to speakon for subs, 1 Speakon to Speakon for Mids, 1 Banana Clip to Speakon for the highs..
So each side (Left/Right) get 3 cables.. So 2 conductors each.
The speaker cable for the high should be wired from the minus side of the banana connector to 2- of the speakon and positive side of the banana connector to 2+ of the speakon.
Is this the case?
Dennis
Doubled checked and the banana clip goes from - to the speakon 1- (there is only 1- 1+ of the speakon connection I got). The other speakon to speakon has 1- 1+ and 2- 2+ and is wired 1- 1+
Dennis
Damn.. this entire time it's been the cable?? Damn... Damn.. I've been racking my brain over this.. I'll give it a try..
Let you know tomorrow..
Thanks
Good call Dennis.
You are sooo lucky that \"1\" is the standard for the lower input or your horns would be fried.
I have a small change to the Low PEQ.
Change the type to Bell.
Put the F2 info into the F1 slot and add
F2
Freq - 80hz
Q - 3
Gain - (+2db)
The HPF on the subs will cover the old F1.
DRA
PS.. Damn 3-way sounds so much nicer...
Thanks