PA +

twinten

Just received a new PA +. First problem, I can not get the X Over to clear or move. I saved a x over point and can't change it.
Another question. Why does this unit not have a off - on switch ?

Any help out there ?

Thanks

Gadget

Hmmm...Clear? what? Have you tried the wizard? I don't have mine yet so I can't say, but I have been assured if you follow the wizard setup you will have a good setup for yourself...

I further assume you can select a preset, and modify it.. I DO NOT assume you can clear it...

Gadget

twinten

Clear the x over program and start a new one ! I don't like the x over points and can't change them. I went to another pre set to modify it but all the x overs came up the same as the one I saved ?
No power switch ? To put the unit back to factory pre sets you need to un plug the unit . Then push a button and re plug to power.
Looks as you need to hit the x over point perfect the first time. No second chance so don't buy new speakers.
Rack Drive was a good idea but not useable without the x over working.

Dra

Is there a config button that perhaps has to be push to make changes?
I don't have mine yet either.
Gadget, when were our demos supposed to arrive?

DRA

Dennis

Please explain in detail, step by step how you arrived at the crossover points that you didn't like and then explain the steps you took to try and change them.

Dennis

twinten

Dennis !! I set the x over to my cab. spec. and stored the settings.
Did not like the sound and wanted to mod the settings. I have read the two books several times. Tried to reset to factory spec. and the xover does not change. I can add all the points I want but can not remove any.
Been working with this thing about 6 hours. Then gave up.
Don't worry about it. I think I will just buy a good compressor and a harmonic sync. and use my man. 31 band and x over. After thinking about this unit and finding out the hole unit is dead without the x over
I will send it back to the seller.
The only way to be safe ,with the Rack Drive , is to carry back-up units.
I should of known the idea was too good to be true !Love my Crown amps and Lexicon's though ! Had those for 20 years. Macro amps can't be beat.
Someday you might get the EQ section right.

Dra

Is there a problem with the EQ section too?

DRA

Dennis

Come on now...don't be that way. It is possible for any manufacturer to ship a dud unit. Return it and get a new one. Me, Gadget and Dra have multiple Driverack units with no problems.

I still want to know STEP BY STEP how you tried to mod the crossover points.

Dennis

twinten

Dennis : I have tried so many things I can't tell you item by item.
Not on a keyboard anyway. When you are reading a book and pushing buttons things happen quick.
It just doesn't make sense that after a re boot or program change that the x over does not change. You know , people do not use the same speakers all the time. How do they cope. What if you go out with a mono sub tonight and a bar with a 2 way stereo tomorrow ? 18\" with a cab. x over of 120 and a 15 with a 150 the next. I know it will work half A$$. But, my ear is better than that.
You know, I now have about 11 x over points on it now. Only need 3. I can find no way to bring it back to flat and start over or remove the points I don't want. I thought I could figure out most anything, after a little trial and error. I will work on it tomorrow for a while.

Dennis

I don't know how you can get 11 crossover points in one preset but I am going to ignore that for now.

-Select a preset
-Press the XOVER button
-Press PREV PAGE or NEXT PAGE repeatedly until you arrive at the page you want to edit. This will be a page with a high, mid, or low crossover point.
-Successive presses of the data wheel will move a cursor between 2 or 3 parameters. Select freq (or frequency)
-Rotate the data wheel back and forth and the crossover point should shift higher and lower.

Dennis

Gadget

You haven't indicted if you have tried setting up your system in the Wizard?

twinten

Dennis wrote:

I don't know how you can get 11 crossover points in one preset but I am going to ignore that for now

Guess I really have 5 points. So many lines, up and down it looks like
11.
I'm still working with it. Tring more pre sets. I will have all the pre set
changed after awhile. Then what will I do ? :? :twisted:

Dennis

OK, you said you had no problem setting crossover points but are unable to edit them afterward. You didn't answer Gadget's question about whether you used the wizard for set up. Also, what happens when you select any user preset and go through the exact steps I outlined in my previous post?

Dennis

twinten

Dennis, Everything works until I save the x over. Then, if I want to change I can add to the x over but can't remove a point. Lets say I want 150 low 800 mid and 1.6 high. I set and save the x over. then I want to try a 1.3 on the high ? I can't get rid of the 1.6 ? These are just numbers out of the air !! Can't just clear the program and start over. The x over is fixed. :?

Dra

Is there an add button? What is the process? Seems completely foreign from the format of the DRPA and 260. The set-up in the DRPA is done ONLY in the wizard. HPF, LPF, slope, & gain all done in run mode. Using NXT, PRV, and DATA wheel to select & change. The 260 can se-up with the Wizard or through config button.

DRA

Dennis

I am going to change the topic for a minute. You said it was difficult to do a factory reset due to no power switch. Did you do a successful factory reset?

Try this...Press and hold the RTA button at power up and tell me what message the screen displays.

Dennis

Dra

RTA?

Dennis

According to the manual, that is the start up sequence to access the security page. I want to see if the unit is locked out for some reason.

Dennis

Dra

That is an excellent thought.

DRA

Dra

Except that he can add filter point.

DRA

Dra

Except that he can add filter points and other stuff

DRA

Dennis

I don't even know what \"I can add to the crossover\" means. He also says the crossover points are fixed. At this point I am just guessing.

Dennis

Dra

Can you change the gain, or filter type / slope? Can you scroll from the high page to the low page? Can you access the LPF and HPF on each page?

DRA

twinten

X OVER POINTS !! 100 200 800 ECT. I can add points but after I save to a program I can't remove them !!

Dennis

After you save a program, what changes can you make? In order for us to help, we need all questions answered and all requested tests performed so we can narrow things down a bit.

Dennis

Dra

Let's say you set-up a 2 x 4 (stereo in and 2-way stereo out) (JBL JRX125 tops (passive) and JRX118 sub). Let's say that the x-over was set to Lows - HPF 40hz BW18 and LPF 120hz LR24
Highs - HPF 120hz LR24 and out

Can you go into the x-over section and hi-lite the \"hz\"? If you can what happens when the Data wheel is rotated? Does the hz number change?

Now if you set up a 3 way system (2 x-over points) you cannot remove a point and have a 2-way system. You must set up another preset.

DRA

twinten

Use your 120hz. You can move the hz with the datawheel between the 40 and 120. You can't change the numbers that are set.
Anyway. I took this unit back to the dealer and exchanged it for another.
This one worked fine in the store. I will keep you posted on my outcome.
Thanks for your quick reply's !!

twinten

The unit # 2 is working fine. Can change x over points with no problems.
Tomorrow I will setup in a 400 seat club and give it a real workout. I
will also take backup eq's and x over just in case I have a problem.
I'm looking forward to the delay and the sync. As far as feedback I don't think that will ever be a factor.
Again, thanks for your replys. I guess I just got a bad one.
I have mounted the PA+ in a rack with a power conditioner so I can have a off on switch . I have long arms but holding a button and reaching around the rack to plug and un plug the unit, to reset, is a pain. Next up date have DBX put a on off sw. on the unit !!

Dennis

Glad to hear you got it worked out.

Dennis

twinten

Dennis, I want to ask how dependable these units are ? You know , if the eq or x over section craps out a sound man would be out of business.
Don't know if you work for Harman or not but you could send me a PM if you don't want everyone to read your reply.
Like I said before, Crown and Lexicon can't be beat. I have never been let down. I bought DBX because of the great service I have had the last 20 years from Crown and Lexicon.
As of now ,I love the features. Just hope it is bullet proof like the other products.

Dennis

No, nobody here works for Harman or is on a payroll. We're just a bunch of bums who hang out here and share our knowledge with new DBX owners........or any brand for that matter, what the heck. I have owned a Driverack PA for 3 or 4 years and a 260 for a year. No problems. Gadget owns a butt load of various Driveracks and the worst problem he has had is flaky IEC power cords. Will you come across a Driverack that has issues? Yes. Will you come across a BSS Omnidrive that has issues? Yes. Will you come across a XTA unit that has issues...you get the idea. When I march off to a gig with my DR260, I don't take a back up unit. Speaking of back up, a UPS battery backup unit is an excellent accessory for your DR.

Dennis